Rothmans Honda Dakar

Discussion in 'Land of the Rising Sun: ADV Bikes from Japan' started by HighwayChile, Jan 27, 2006.

  1. HighwayChile

    HighwayChile greetings from Wa state

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    Rothmans Honda Dakar at the Van BC bike show, got me wood.
    sorry, forgot my camera.
    anyone else have the brains to bring one?
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  2. atgreg

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  3. HighwayChile

    HighwayChile greetings from Wa state

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    thats it down to the suede seat, rear tank. maybe a little more flogged.

    hhmmm if I made a distraction, maybe I coyld sneak it out......:1drink
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  4. irnbru

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    Ah Feck, how did I miss that. Didn't have my camera with me anyway.
    Did you talk to the guy with the F650GS that's been travelling for a couple of years, very cool guy .

    www.renedian.com is his website.
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  6. flying desmo

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    any one ever seen one for sale? i've got one and am trying to figure out what it's worth.
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  7. Sp!ke

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    Err.... next to it is the RW&B XLV750R... anyone know the History of that bike #95?

    Just asking as I had one and have never seen one in race livery before.
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  8. atgreg

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    Mate, you cant have one !!!, it's a factory Honda NXR750 prototype Dakar racer, they made about 20 and apart from 3-4 in Honda museums around the world they were all crushed.

    it's not an XLV / transalp/ Africa Twin

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  9. flying desmo

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    mine is not the NSR prototype but the other one pictured here, a 650 factory marathon in Rothmans colors.
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  10. rjf

    rjf SBS's #1 fan in January

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    Are you sure it isn't a production Africa Twin with a marathon kit added on ( and a rothmans paint job)

    I think you could buy a marathon kit for the production bikes in the late 1980's, like the rallye kit you can buy for the Yamaha wr450 now.
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    Thats a 650 marathon.

    Honda sold some 650's in 88-89 and some 750's in 90-91 for the production marathon class in the Dakar. they were basically a standard bike with rear tanks, a bigger main tank and a few other bits and bobs for the rally, the engine was standard. you could buy a bike ready fitted with all the gear or you could buy the kit and fit it yourself. occasiaonally a kit comes up for sale in europs

    Im sure for the right person they are worth quite a lot as not many were sold and are something special, I'd kill to get my hands on one of the bikes or a kit.

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    Another couple of Africa Twin marathon photos, I think it's a 650

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  15. flying desmo

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    Funny to see those pictures. I also have a Cagiva Marathon just like the red bike next to the AT in two of the above shots. Now THAT is a fantastic bike and its easy to understand why they won many races from 1990 on. But since this is a Honda thread, i will say that i love the beastly looks of the AT Marathon.

    There is a listing (in French) of the major changes from stock on the website you mentioned. What the site doesn't mention is that the bike is built with more attention to detail; for example, all the welds are better than on normal ATs. It says the marathon is almost identical to the stock bike but this is an inaccurate statement; one study of the list of changes can convince you otherwise. All Marathon bikes regardless of marque need to be loosely based on thier stock factory counterparts.

    The early factory Marathons have a serial number beginning with a "6" instead of a "5" as per on the stock bikes. This is followed by multiple zeros and the number marathon, up to 50 or however many one believes were produced.
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  16. flying desmo

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    I should also note that all "Marathons" regardless of marque needed to be based on the stock bikes. The NSR bike pictured above was a no holds barred, factory unlimited bike. Cagiva also built a few bikes like this at a reported cost of around $70-100,000 each. I would imagine that Honda's version probably cost about the same.

    The Marathon bikes allowed privateers to compete in what was known as the "Marathon" class of racing. These bikes were much along the lines of the KTM 660 race-ready rallyes of today. There were around 50 Cagiva Marathons produced as well and these sold for around $20,000 new. I believe Honda sold its new Marathons for about this same price. One of the main, non-performance related differences between the Cagivas and Hondas is that Honda produced its Marathons in-house while Cagiva subcontracted the work to a Milanaise firm, CH Racing.

    Honda also sold an over-the-counter rally kit but not all "Marathon" parts were available. Besides the "60000xx" serial number, another easy way to determine a factory bike is to look for the huge air cleaner in the left side cover. The real Honda factory Marathons have them.
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    cool bikes.:tb Post some pics of them :thumbup
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  18. rd03 barbie

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    Hi,
    I am currently restoring my 1988 RD03 xrv650 Africa Twin. I came across this discussion about frame numbers and wondered if anyone had com across one like mine before. It begins with 1000... instead of the usual 5000....
    Anyone any ideas cos it does not feature on any parts catalogue for this model in UK, or France where it was registered prior to me purchasing it in 1990.

    The frame number is actually: RD03-1000150
    Engine RC31E-5101336
    I have seen the info on the XRV uk org website but they only talk about 5--- numbers.

    If anyone has any info regarding the history of this bike I would appreciate it.
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  20. Jim Davis

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    My RD03's frame number is close to yours at RD03 1000107. I think it's safe to say our bikes are close to the first ones made in the first year 1988.

    So yes someone else came across a number like yours before.
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