Round Britain Trail Ride 2013

Discussion in 'Europe' started by mfredrik, Sep 20, 2012.

  1. mfredrik

    mfredrik Riding this weekend?

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    Well Patrick let the cat out the bag in the "Long day in the Saddle" thread.

    This is perhaps a dumb idea but here goes...

    Summary

    7 days, 7 teams, 7 start points, 7 end points, 7 base camps, 7 x 200miles = 1,400 miles .

    ...and a cheeky name given the proposed route (see below).

    Each team will plan a route taking riders around their segment of the UK, as well as setting up a base camp facility and logistics support in their locale to be used by all the teams as they work their way round. The routes will be shared as .gpx files.

    All on the old green lanes and by ways of Great Britain.

    In the name of the TRF (tbc) to gain publicity for it by a Press Release or two, and to raise money for the Air Ambulance.

    When

    13th July – 20th July 2013 (tbc), this can be jiggled around to accommodate the core organisers.

    Who

    Well I guess its my idea so I have to pull it all together and be the central point of contact, set up some web pages and shared docs, do the PR etc. But there are of course 7 team leaders needed. I’ll be a team leader for Berks, Hants, Oxon, Wilts if needed – but there are probably better men than me. By necessity these will need to be based in or near their regions.

    Teams

    I am thinking teams of 8 riders + a ground logistics person or persons per team that stays at home but can help line up any spares or other help needed (so not a full time role, this person could be a dealer or someone working that week). Riding teams will have a Lead Navigator and Back Up Navigator, both having the tools to take care of navigation (ie Garmin or Sat Map and knowing how to use ‘em). The leaders will also take responsibility for tasks in the set-up of the event (his base camp, team list, payments etc).

    Each team keeps 2 places free for overseas / guest riders. I’d love to see the core team being invited to the equivalent French / Italian / etc event in the future....So we’d need to put the word out on Adv Rider. Any guest slots not taken 3 weeks before the event will be released for additional local riders.

    Base Camps

    Originally I thought camp sites at a pub with 8 x single tents. Riders just bring sleeping bag liners. Hot food and showers are must haves. Then I thought YHA – anyone tried anything similar with them?

    Bikes

    I cant be arsed to map big bike friendly routes so just single cylinder trail bikes. Big bikes might slow proceedings down unreasonably.

    Costs

    Well this has to be the ride of your dreams, or why bother doing it. £5/day for air ambulance seems fair, plus campsite/hostels, plus a nice embroidered Polo shirt. About £200 (tbc). I am thinking we set an expectation that each rider raises a minimum of £50 for local charities within each of the 7 regions to help with PR – this could be included in a higher entry fee but refundable on successful sponsorship. Or is this making it all too convoluted?

    Next Steps

    Do you fancy it? Has it been done before? Is it inherently flawed?

    Most important thing is finding the right 7 Team Leaders, and in the right locales – anyone offering themselves up for it?

    Then I guess we should gauge demand, are there really 60+ people up for this?

    Looking to the Future

    A 2 week full tour of the UK for 2014....

    Overseas tours....

    PR Opportunity

    I'd like to think we can use PR from this to the TRFs advantage We can invite a few press people along – TBR Chris Moss, Chippy Wood from Bike plus a couple of others are worth inviting I am sure.

    All the TRF regions we pass thru can do a Press Release to local press and use the Air Ambulance money to generate good publicity, but local sponsorship within the teams to support local causes would be even better.

    Where

    Sadly not all the UK, not in a week and 1400 miles, and it will flex depending who signs up for this as Leaders. But roughly...

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    RBTR Simple Map by mfredriksen, on Flickr

    Its only this shape as I doubt there is great laning to be had if we go out East more, but I don’t know that as a fact. It’s totally fluid at this stage.

    What's the Next Step

    Well its finding Leaders in the right locations, then of course validating that there are enough people that are actually daft enough to want to do it. Don't clutter the thread with replies, just send me a PM to let me know if you are interested, especially if you are interested to be a Leader - let me know your location too, of course,

    So, lets see if we can make this happen. I reckon we'll all do a few lanes we wouldn't ride otherwise, and have some craic along the way.

    Cheers, Mike F
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  2. Harty

    Harty Bloody Good Bloke!

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    No offence Mike, but calling it Round Britain Trail Ride must be a piss take, it looks more like Wales with a bit of England thrown in:evil
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  3. mfredrik

    mfredrik Riding this weekend?

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    No offence taken, I did say in the opening gambit it was a cheeky name given the proposed route.

    Yours is a bit of a long title tho'.

    If the format works it would be great to see it extended to cover more of GB in 2014.

    As it stands are you in a jaunt round Wales and a bit of South West England?

    M

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    mfredrik Riding this weekend?

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    Question

    "Each team will plan a route taking riders around their segment"
    If I'm hosting 6 x other teams, showing them around my patch how do I get time to do the other regions?

    Answer

    Each team plans a route through their sement, the route is then made into a sat nav file, each team has all maps, teams navigate themselves.

    On any one day, each sement is being ridden by by a different team, each team works it way round the 1400 mile course segment by segment.

    You don’t lead each of the 7 teams through your segment yourself.
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  5. Zen Overland

    Zen Overland Adventurer

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    Sounds like a fantastic idea to me. Insurance might be a bit of a pain, but apart from that it sounds superb.

    I'm interested in being part of it. I know lots of lanes around our area (Bristol/Bath), I've got hundreds of lanes mapped already.

    I'm run an off road parts business, which could be useful. I've also hosted a few bike rallies in our local area, with 70-220 participants. I know a few local bike friendly camp sites.

    I could also publicise from our website, and circulate emails round the local trail riders I know.

    Just let me know where we go from here!
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  6. mfredrik

    mfredrik Riding this weekend?

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    Thanks for all the replies.

    So far interest has been distinctly "Southern" and given my proposed route hardly surprising.

    Does anyone fancy picking up the mantle and setting up a separate Northern biased 7 day ride? I ask just one thing - do it on different dates so I can ride!

    Judging by the initial interest I reckon we can do this.

    Mike
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  7. GFJ

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    Well, this certainly sounds interesting. Will check to see if I have any chance of getting the time off.

    Having just come back from 3 days doing similar around North & Mid Wales, we averaged 150miles a day and half of that was tarmac. Admittedly we were carrying full camping gear, but it was enough. Including running repairs, lunch stops etc, we were out for about 9.5hrs each day. 200 miles could be hard going, especially if all on trails.

    Having ready pitched tents would certainly shave off some time each day.

    Is intriging though:evil

    Gareth
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  8. obee404

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    Hi,

    I am definitely interested in your proposed ride but since I am based up in Lancashire I am unable to lead in the areas suggested. Please put me on your list

    regards

    Ian
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  9. Timpo

    Timpo NORTH WALES TRF.

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    Of course I'm keen, and have enough knowledge to cover two days of trails on the track shown on the map.
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  10. mfredrik

    mfredrik Riding this weekend?

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    Nice one Timpo, pleased you're on board. Will see you in a couple of w/e's time with the Oxford TRF so lets make some loose plans then...
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  11. Timpo

    Timpo NORTH WALES TRF.

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    Sure.....:freaky
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    Harty Bloody Good Bloke!

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    Anymore news on this plan of yours Mike ? :wink:
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    Timpo NORTH WALES TRF.

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    Insurance? The Road Traffic Act dictates the insurance requirements to use a trail bike byways or UCR,it's not a pain but a statuary requirement, third party as a minimum.

    I'm sure you don't mean insurance to cover individuals attending.....? What do you need that for as this is neither a race event nor ride organised for profitable gain, so no different from a rider attending say a TRF organised trail ride.
    In fact I have already suggested that all riders wanting to join the ride should be members of the Trail Rider's Fellowship.

    If a rider thinks he/she needs further coverage by insurance companies, then go buy it..... simples! (Did you see what i did there).

    Timpo.
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  14. Zen Overland

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    "....so no different from a rider attending say a TRF organised trail ride..."

    My only point being that the TRF does have a blanket insurance policy that covers its members (and probably potential members, taking part on their first ride out) for group trail rides.
    I've organised a few bike meets for Horizons Unlimited with 200-300 riders, and they (HU, Grant & Susan) are extremely hesitant to allow trail ride outs for this very reason.
    Recently they're pretty much said no off road rides, unless they're managed entirely by the local TRF group.

    I'm not trying to piss on your fireworks, just making you aware of the obstacles I've come across in the past.

    Worst case scenario, one of the riders breaks his back or is killed. His spouse finds out he was on an organised off-road ride, and fancies taking someone to court to help cover the hundreds of thousands of pounds lost earnings, bereavement etc
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  15. Gazz

    Gazz In a rut

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    Why do you think that a free ride on legal roads needs extra insurance? It's not off-road! Nothing 'official', no 3rd party organisation involved, no profit being made,, no private land being used. Optional fund-raising may happen. Following the bloke in front does not make him liable for your fortunes . Perhaps you'd like to point out the case law that says otherwise?
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  16. GFJ

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    There will be others on here with a lot more knowledge on this aspect than I, but I am unclear as to why you actually need additional cover for non commercial enterprises, say, if you are a run leader, using your own road legal motorbike, have road insurance etc and are keeping to roads and other public highways, with others in the group doing likewise on their own machines.

    There have been cases of late where prosecutions have been brought against groups of road riders where one of their group have had a crash and died as a result, and the CPS have looked at the riding of the whole group to see whether it was dangerous etc, but I'm not sure whether anyone has been convicted in these scenarios.

    Any UK legal beagles on here who could give a considered opinion on this? I'm sure the likes of Horizons Unlimited will have looked into it but it would be good to know what the issues and the strict liabilities are.

    Until then . . . . :ricky
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  17. Zen Overland

    Zen Overland Adventurer

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    I'm not saying that it definitely will need insurance, but just that it may be worth considering/investigating.
    I am 100% keen on this project, and would love to see it happen and be part of it. I'm just stating some facts, that I've been involved in some bike events, and that organisers were pretty hesitant about the insurance aspect of rides like this.
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  18. Hew

    Hew Been here awhile

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    I would expect a commercial operation to have some type of public liability insurance but blanket personal accident cover ?
    It is surely up to each individual to arrange their own vehicle and if they deem it necessary, personal accident cover to safeguard themselves.
    If someone was unlucky enough to injure themselves by falling off who would they claim against. They were the person riding the bike and unless it was in collision how could anyone else be to blame.
    There's enough bollox in the world without complicating simple trail rides.
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  19. Gazz

    Gazz In a rut

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    Well we are saying that there definitely is no need for extra insurance. Unless you have any info *directly* relevant to this context then I suggest you quit scaremongering.
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    Stop sitting on the fence Gazz. :thumb

    I also see no reason for additional insurance, it's not a commercial venture, it's a group of mates out for a ride on legal trails on legal bikes. Safety in numbers when trailriding means that incidents are taken care of that much quicker and easier.
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