Routing in Basecamp - Why so inflexible?

Discussion in 'Mapping & Navigation' started by LarryGee, Jul 2, 2013.

  1. LarryGee

    LarryGee Been here awhile

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    Coming from map source, I find Basecamp difficult to use, as it pertains to routing. In map source, you could click and lay down some waypoints between your start point and end point. Then, if you wanted to change any portion of the route, between waypoints, you could easily grab and drag the route line to wherever you wanted it.

    With Basecamp, you enter the beginning and ending waypoints and then drag those into the auto routing box. I have no problem with that. For simple a to b routing its fine. However, the problem is that, even if you added multiple waypoints between A and B, you can't just drag and change the route for a particular section, without having the auto route change the rest of the route.

    It's very frustrating. Perhaps I just don't know how to do it.... Any comments or advice?
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  2. eakins

    eakins Butler Maps

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    i'm a mapsource user. tried basecamp and hated what you speak of.
    tossed the app asap. no clue why garmin makes it so different and hard to use.
    don't like how you need an end point either.

    with mapsource you click along the way you wish to go point to point and get to an end.
    if you don't like the last portion, you click back and redo the next via point. i don't always have an end point in mind. as i'm creating something on the fly, i'm just testing various ways to go and watching time and mileage plus doing checks in google earth for the road condidtion. my guess is garmin thinks most want to just input a start and stop point and let the machine pick they way.
    it's designed for boring, but fast & direct drives in a car not for adv exploring. completely sucks!

    thought basecamp was an evolution for mapsource users but it's not.
    mapsource (w/ Google Earth) works for me so i'm sticking with it.
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  3. byways

    byways byways

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    I do tracks with BaseCamp, no routes yet. I've found advantages, and real dangers with BC.

    An advantage is the ability to toggle instantly between different tracks across the same area to compare them; or to compare tracks that have been edited down with the original.

    If I understand correctly how BC works, it is a database, and the data seems to be shared among relevant tracks. A danger lies in making a change to a specific track that unintentionally takes effect globally, in every track that shares the same data.

    One has to be careful in assuring that changes are done solely to the track they're supposed to occur in. Even just changing the name of a track can have consequences that ripple through other "lists," as BC calls them.

    I think.
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  4. Boondox

    Boondox Travels With Barley

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    I use BC for the Mac and haven't experienced any problems at all. Maybe the platforms are different, but on the Mac I create my start and end points, then click and drag to shape the route into minute little twisty roads with no trouble at all.
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  5. dlh62c

    dlh62c Long timer

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    Give BC a chance. Just use the insertion tool to tailor the route to your liking. I'll never go back to Mapsource.
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  6. BKMLWR

    BKMLWR Wondering around...

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    the latest edition of BC is a big help with track names....you can now use the same name for tracks in different lists if list is in different folders
    http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=899796
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  7. DRTBYK

    DRTBYK All Things GPS

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    Transitioning from one app to another for the same task is always a difficult proposition. BaseCamp for Windows and Mac are very different in their workflows/tools. No matter which app version you use, I suggest reading/watching the Help and Tutorials before just diving in. I think you'll find it much less frustrating.
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  8. BKMLWR

    BKMLWR Wondering around...

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    can the help and tutorials be saved to computer so internet connection is not necessary?
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  9. Emoto

    Emoto Sure, why not?

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    This. It takes a little getting used to, but does work ok after you get used to it.
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  10. DRTBYK

    DRTBYK All Things GPS

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    Currently...no.
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  11. LarryGee

    LarryGee Been here awhile

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    This is true. If you delete a waypoint in your route, that is also a waypoint in a different route, it will delete ALL waypoint locations.
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  12. LarryGee

    LarryGee Been here awhile

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    So, are you saying that I can modify the route between insertion points without affecting the rest of the route?
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  13. Albie

    Albie Kool Aid poisoner

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    There's no insertion tool on the Mac version. :huh :D
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  14. DRTBYK

    DRTBYK All Things GPS

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    That's because you don't need a separate tool to add a point - much more efficient workflow.:evil
    But you knew that...
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  15. DRTBYK

    DRTBYK All Things GPS

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    Yes, AND, you can change the Activity between points or groups of points to create a mix-route.
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  16. 211

    211 Adventurer

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    Why not use Google Maps to do the heavy lifting then drag and customize your route from there.. you can then convert it to gpx and use BC to export it to the device.
    I'm assuming you're using a Garmin since you're using Basecamp.

    Custom routing (dragging the route line around) doesnt work too well on offroad maps in GM since it needs existing/mapped roads to work from. Forest service roads are usually charted in GM but lots of the spur and connector roads are not.
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  17. LarryGee

    LarryGee Been here awhile

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    Because the conversion to gpx is a pia...and...it never converts perfectly. Has to be recalculated and tweaked .
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  18. DRTBYK

    DRTBYK All Things GPS

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    I don't advocate using Google Maps "instead of" BaseCamp but I do use GM on occasion. It is easier these days to transfer GM data to BaseCamp. Just open your "My Places" and select your route. There should be an option to save it as a KML file.

    [​IMG]

    BaseCamp can import KML/KMZ files as TRACKS. If you think they follow roads that are on your installed map, you can create a Route from the Track with two clicks. Not such a PIA....
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  19. Dolly Sod

    Dolly Sod Red Clay Halo

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    Once you figure out where the route modify tool bar is and how to use it, base camp routes and modifies routes very similarly to Mapsource. Better in some ways and not quite as nice others ways.
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  20. SkiBumBrian

    SkiBumBrian DualSport Crazy !!

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    You can choose to delete or edit waypoints, tracks and routes globally or only the list you are working on... There is a British sounding guy on YouTube that has some good tutorials.
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