Royal Enfield w/sidecar?

Discussion in 'Hacks' started by Motorace, Jun 3, 2011.

  1. Motorace

    Motorace Michelin Man

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    A local dealer of mine took on Royal Enfield this year and is doing very well with it. They are getting in a hack with a Cozy set-up hooked up to a G5.

    My wife and I are test riding a new Ural T on Sunday, and I want to try the Royal Enfield, too this coming week.

    I've tried to find info about the RE hack here but saw none.

    I'm seriously leaning towards the Ural as the sidecar looks much bigger, and I know more about it. But I am open minded about the RE.

    Thing is, the Ural dealer is 80 miles away while the RE dealer is about 5!

    Any help appreciated!

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  2. MotoJ

    MotoJ Mobtown Hacker

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    http://www.enfieldmotorcycles.com/forum/index.php/board,15.0.html

    This is from the Classic Motor Works Royal Enfield Community Forum. These guys will give you the straight skinny. They're pretty upfront about pros AND cons of RE hacks.

    My own $.02, owning a Royal Enfield as I do, is the thing is way underpowered for a car. However, mine is a '99. The new UCE models might do fine. Neither one is made for freeway long hauls though.

    The RE rigs sure look cool. You'll have fun either way!
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  3. Sidecar Sarge

    Sidecar Sarge Been here awhile

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    Owned both. Go with the Ural. RE is a great little bike but it is NOT a sidecar tug in any way, shape or form. Also the Cozy is quite small and is best as a dog/gear hauler rather than a people hauler. The Ural can at least handle state highways (no freeways). Enfield/Cozy rigs can't even handle state highways. Mine had a VMAX in the mid 40's; cruise in the mid 30's. That was it.

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  4. Sam Simons

    Sam Simons Been here awhile

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    I have both brands presently(GearUp and RE 500 iron barrel),Motorace,and I think that
    an RE powered rig(regardless of model) would be noticeably less powerful and have a lower road speed capability compared to the Ural.....The RE rig would definitely be
    relegated to secondary road only use,IMO.
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  5. Wolfgang55

    Wolfgang55 Long timer

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    How long would the chain last over a drive shaft?
    Not slaming just saying the Ural was built for the sidecar in the beginning.

    The RE is fun as a solo scoot where as the Wolf sucks when compared to something in the same $ range
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  6. Ivan Rider

    Ivan Rider Been here awhile

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    I looked at RE about 11 yrs. ago after getting my first Ural. Test rode them with and without a sidecar. Really wanted the military one but I felt like the "Jolly Green Giant" on it. Much smaller and less powerful then a Ural.
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  7. schoals

    schoals Been here awhile

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    did you ever ride both and which one did you end up getting?
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  8. Motorace

    Motorace Michelin Man

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    I ended up with a BMW R100/7 with a Sputnik. Needed a little TLC but we are very happy with it. I'll be into it for about the same price as the RE, and a lot less than the new Ural.
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  9. MIXR

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    Dave - I approached one of our Enfield dealers about an outfit before I hacked my GSA. Because I wanted to do some longer runs, he advised me to buy a Triumph T100 (almost any model, but a Bonny would be best) and add one of their sidecars to it instead. The Enfield is too low down on power, and too fragile (unreliable) for distance work. That's from a dealer! He has fit-up kits for the Triumph and sells the chairs as seperate items.

    If the choice is Ural or Enfield, go the Ural. If you like a 'lighter' outfit, get a Triumph and fit an Enfield chair. If you just want to put around town and do shorter trips, the Enfield would be fine, but stay off the Freeways!

    Cheers, Mick.
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  10. eastbloc

    eastbloc comprador bourgeois

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    Also, Enfields don't have reverse.
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  11. fyr

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    I was in the same quandry a couple of years back. Had a 01 Bonnie. Wanted to hack it and never did.
    Got so far as to find and abused Velorex and worked refurbishing it. Ended up selling it as I found I didnt like fiberglass.
    Ural was always in the mix but I figured it too expensive and maintenance intensive (in 2004-5 when I was hack hunting)
    Time passed
    RE came to Canada and lit the fire for an outfit. So I studied and researched and found the 2006+ Urals better reliability wise. It was built for pulling a sidecar, had reverse, shaft drive and an opposed engine (I am an airhead fanboy) and 2wd capability (yeah I drank the camo, 2wd lemon-aid). But I had to see a Cozy sidecar up front and personal...... I did.....Looked like a trinket (at least the one I saw)
    Decision made...

    My Ural has been a rock solid ride and bulit like the proverbial tank with the history to back it up..
    :clap
    But I always wonder what that bonnie would have been like all kitted out.
    or Id have a RE as a solo anyday! Very cool bike

    Good luck hunting
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  12. redflasher

    redflasher Baltika Lover

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    I had a Cosy sidecar years ago attached to a Vespa scooter. Had a lot of fun with it but The Cosy was basically a garbage can on a 3rd wheel. Thin paint that actually washed right off and the "Chrome" was peeling within a short time. The hack wheel actually spun on a plastic bearing/bushing. I've seen current Cosy hacks and nothing looks any better now. Junk in my opinion.
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  13. mibi

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  14. schoals

    schoals Been here awhile

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    i had a cozy on a genuine stella and did a few thousand mile with it only problem i had was it was very fast with me (295lbs) and my dog (155lbs) in the chair but it would scoot along the flat at 40mph but uphills were not so much fun, i rode it to the gap two up from Atlanta once the back way took all day going up 60 to 68 and over the cherry cola but it was a blast (more so going down the other side of the CC) and we had a grat weekend and noticed a lot more stuff on that trip than any other also got to chat a lot lol

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  15. madeouttaglass

    madeouttaglass The AntiHarley

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    I think that this is the first thread I've seen where a Ural is considered the more powerful choice of bikes.
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  16. jaydmc

    jaydmc Long timer

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    Both the Ural and the Enfield are anything but a modern design, and if that is what you are looking for I would go with the Ural. But, if you are looking for a bike with a sidecar and do not mind doing like the Enfield dealer is going to do and add a sidecar to a bike you have many more options. If you want the classic look then the Bonneville may be the way to go we have bike specific mounts and new from billet triple tree's and have mounted many of our M72C/D sidecars on them, but you could just well go with most any bike that bike specific mounts are made for, or if the bike is at a sidecar shop pretty much any bike can have a sidecar added Some cost more then others to add a sidecar to and many people will buy a new bike local to us, have us install the sidecar and then ship them the finished rig.
    My point, you do not need to limit your choice to either a Enfield or a Ural.
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  17. FR700

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    Fuel injected , disc brake , unit construction , electric start , reasonable suspension . The one I rode had no trouble pulling 70 mph with a motor that only had 20 miles on it ... what's not modern in your view ?

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  18. Billtr96sn

    Billtr96sn Flange Furtler

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    OHV, 60 year old design, lights you have to get off the bike and have a look to see if they are on. Handling (In solo form) so bad it feels as if the rear tyre is deflated.
    All this on a 'modern' bike? I dont think so.
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  19. FR700

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    OHV ? ... did you want a flat head instead ?
    The engine is a unit construction ... not seeing a 60 year old design ... the styling , yes .
    The one I tried managed to drag shit on both sides going around corners without showing any weirdness .




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  20. Billtr96sn

    Billtr96sn Flange Furtler

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    No, I would want OHC preferably more than 2 valves per cylinder, as for the age of the engine design, you do know the history of the Indian Enfields?
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