RTW X-Challenge Adventurization

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  1. Colebatch

    Colebatch "Moto Porn"ographer

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    I used 2 different types

    For the mainly asphalt and good gravel roads, 'hardpack' etc, I used Mefo Super Explorers. They are very similar to Heidenau K60s. Basically equivalent of TKC80 in grip, but much longer lasting ... they are good for 15,000 km. This is all you need for Central Asia and Mongolia.

    For the more 'interesting' bits in Siberia, I used Michelin Deserts ... sometimes without bib-mousse, but for the really out in the middle of nowhere stuff I used mousse. These tyres were good for about 6,000km
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  2. olyflyer

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    Got an email off of Nate at Dirt Tricks and he has one 48 tooth rear sprocket left (I bought 2 and left one so someone else could get one cause I'm a nice guy) they are $134.60each (edit that was with postage to Oz) from him not sure about BMW but

    I asked if he is going to make any more but doesn't look likey unless there is a fair bit more interes, but this is his response to my question;
    The shop we made them for is called BMW of Tigard Oregon. Their phone
    number is: 503-597-7097 They also have a website, do a Google search
    for BMW Tigard.
    Thanks, Nate D.


    google search done, result; http://www.bmwor.com/
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  3. Steady

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    Great thread, thanks.:thumb
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  4. Cruz

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    Yes Eric, perfect thanks very much for that.:clap

    In the first pic the X Tank isn't hard up against the angled down tube of the rear triangle like mine when it is bolted up. Is this a different setup or just not put together fully?
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  5. Erik RS

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    You're right. It's just hanging on one bolt and not fully attached in that picture.:D Walter's the same as yours, just 60 mm wider
    Herewith a picture of the rack in the making with the tank in it's normal position:

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  6. Cruz

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    Thanks Eric.

    Before seeing Walters bike I had already planned to use Tioga or Deuter bicycle pannier bags and adapting their fitting racks but not sure if their fitting arrangement would handle a lot of hard movement on a motorbike.

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  7. Colebatch

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    Its the plastic clips that spoil it for the otherwise very good idea of taking push bike bags. As mentioned earlier, once the clips break, you have to attach them with hose clamps
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  8. Mike JRA

    Mike JRA Been here awhile

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    Is the plastic spine and clips just screwed onto the frame of those bags? You might be able to make a stronger mounting system. I have done some mountain bike touring and have broken plastic tabs. I just took the plastic off, bolted on some aluminum channel and added a bungy cord to get me home.

    Colebatch - Thanks for taking the time to do this thread, you've given me some great ideas for future mods.:beer
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    Colebatch, you have mentioned that you've been using soft luggage for a long time. I recently parted out the aluminum boxes and steel racks off my Dakar to some friends and am planning on making a lighter rack that will carry soft bags. How have previous bags mounted compared to the Ortlieb's? What diameter and wall thickness was the steel tubing that you used for the rack? Just curious as you said it all was a little weak for the abuse it took.

    This is a really great thread. You've done a lot of interesting things with the bike. Honestly, the clip board is one of my favorite mods.:deal

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  10. Colebatch

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    Yep ... the plastic spine is just screwed into the fabric. I ended modding both bags by putting in a 2mm steel spine, effectively doubling and reinforcing the plastic spine ... the stock bolts were just long enough for that. That solved one problem - snapping spine. But the other problem was harder to solve in the field ... the plastic quick release clips that attach to 15 or 16 mm tube. In the end I just attached the steel spine of the bags to the steel rack with hose clamps (Aus) / jubilee clips (GB) ... not sure what they call them in the states.

    The third problem was the bags are not as durable as motorcycle luggage. They were fine for the first 20,000 km ... then started showing their limitations. By 30,000 km they were letting in a lot of water and had holes in them. They were tearing where the bolts holding the fabric to the spine penetrated the fabric. Too mush stress for too long.

    For shorter trips of up to 3 months, I think its very feasible to use them - with a couple of mods. For longer trips, there are too many things you will eventually need to fix and might as well start somewhere else in the beginning.
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    Most soft bags these days are joined together and throw over the seat / rear rack jobs. So the side racks involved dont really need to take the weight of the bags, thats mostly thru the seat / rear rack that they get thrown over. The side racks just need to hold the bags off the exhaust / aux fuel tank / rear wheels. In my case, the initial bicycle bags actually had the weight directly attached to the side of the rack. This caused more stress to the rack than would otherwise have been the case with throw over bags.

    Do bear in mind that for rough roads, many throwover bags can bounce around like dumbo's ears, so apart from the rack keeping them away from the exhaust / wheel, you also want a system for keeping them from flapping too much. An elastic strap should be enough. One of the guys I rode with for a month this year was using Andy Strapz soft bags and I could hardly stop laughing on the rough stuff. It looked like his bike was trying to fly it was flapping so much.

    The tube we used initially was 15mm diameter and 1mm tube wall. But the rack now has all sorts of stuff on there now - square tubing, round tubing, 15mm, 16mm, 18mm etc ... .
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    Another pic of the headlamps for those who have been interested in the headlamp mod: This is one with the lights actually on!

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    Sorry to be slow in responding with a part number, but my parts manager was out and I wanted to get the story straight....

    Yes, the above info is correct, Dirt Tricks sourced some Ironman Xchallenge rear sprockets for BMWOR, both the Tigard shop and the Eugene shop, as many of the employees of the two shops have Xchallenges, myself included. :wink: After several months wait the sprockets came in, looking like production items, packaged like production items. But when I could not find a fitment for the Xchallenge on dirttricks.com after posting before I realized this may have been a one-off production run. We did have extras but I understand they are now gone. :uhoh

    I think the best thing to do to drive more production of the Ironman sprocket for the Xchallenge would be to hit up either shop and request another prodution run, when the demand is there maybe Dirt Tricks will supply more. I certainly have no issues with mine, it seems long-wearing, and it certainly looks better than stock. :nod
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  14. Jeff@TheQuadShop

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    Sounds like a group buy in the making!
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    Phew ... lucky you're a nice guy ... i got the last one. Otherwise I would have to put the guilt trip on you mate !:thumb
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  16. The Jester

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    You must have either been up very early or very late to see that post before I did. I emailed off straight away but you got there before me.:cry

    Thanks for all the info on your bike. It is probably the GX with the highest miles and the fact that those miles have been done in pretty extreme conditions makes the information even more valuable.

    Until my boys are a few years older my adventure trips are limited to a week away each summer. Tame by comparison but you have given me a few ideas.
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  17. olyflyer

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    I would of sold it to you at mates rates, mate :evil

    Thank god Australia is way ahead of the world in regards with time
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    I should have bought the remaining stock at Dirttricks before making that recommendation, and then auctioned them off between all you rich BMW riders. :D

    Let us know how they hold up, if they suck it's not my fault. :lol3
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  19. The Jester

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    :huh If only...
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  20. LukasM

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    Yeah, yeah, that's what they all say. I bet you are getting ready to settle down in the Caribbeans with all those millions you must be making off fuel tank sales. :evil