Rule #5 (10 things I've Learned from 10 Crashes)

Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by DAKEZ, Oct 26, 2013.

  1. laterider

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    I have crashed on the street, gravel, dirt, big rocks and mud. None of those of much consequence. Track crash something else all together. Low side on an off camber righthander. Everything copacetic: protective gear working, bike ahead of me, then the rumble strip curve. OUCH. 5 ribs, scapular and destroyed bike bodywork. One can get hurt even when everyone's going the same way and there's no crossing traffic. :wink:
  2. 390beretta

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    You know, I sort of "get" some of your posts and I sort of "don't get some of them": When you say "95% of riders don't have the skills, awareness, reflexes (I'm paraphrasing) to make quick decisions, etc. I'd say they need to learn them and practice them. If you ride in an urban environment, there are certain practices and skills and routines that you should have, otherwise, you're at much higher risk. I'm sorry to say that 90% of my last 20,000 miles have been in Phoenix city traffic. People here (cagers) drive as if they're mentally de-ranged, angry or on drugs. (mostly the younger women will tail-gate your ass while texting) Seemingly none of them can come to even a brief stop light without "entertaining" themselves on a smart-phone. In this environment, I'm always alert, paying attention...and just the slightest bit paranoid. I have no idea where you ride/live, hopefully not in a similar environment, but regardless, I wish you the best and good luck, but don't discount my posts out of hand.
  3. Red9

    Red9 Been here awhile

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    I agree 100%.
    There is not enough time.

    In 1979 I was stopped in the inside lane of a four lane, in town, waiting for oncoming traffic to pass so I could make a left turn.
    Don't ask me why or how but I glanced in my left rear-view mirror and all I saw was chrome grill. Where there wasn't one a moment before....
    With the reflexes of a 21 year old, I dived off the left side of my bike into the open oncoming lane. (I had been waiting for a car in the far oncoming lane to pass. Whew!)
    The car (an old Crown Vic driven by a couple in their late 70's) hit my brand new Daytona Special as it was still standing straight up, punted it down the road and then continued on with the bike eventually becoming pinned underneath their car for over one block!

    There is absolutely no way I could have let out the clutch and given it enough gas to pull away in time.

    Since then I always stop pointed to the left or right side of any car in front of me.
    I figure if I get hit from behind at least I will be pushed to the side and not sandwiched or.... maybe I will have time to dive off again.
  4. dwoodward

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    Probably it had just been painted and there was still loose sand. In any case, the lesson is that it wasn't a prepared race surface. Just avoid leaning on the paint at all times... Up here in the Pacific NorthWet, I pretty much have to anyway.

    Violent agreement. In safety training, we ask "experienced" riders a rhetorical question: Have they ridden 10,000 miles, or one mile 10,000 times? Typically it's more the latter.

    Worse, more than likely; Like a tool left in the bottom of your toolbox, skills not used will be rusty or missing if you don't take them out and polish them up a little now and then.
  5. scootrboi

    scootrboi Long timer

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    When I learned about countersteering I had been riding 18 years. Since that time, my control has been far more conscious, and quicker. It took a lot of the mystery out of the experience, and I use the handlebars differently. I can't think of a single other thing that has improved my riding skill anywhere near that much. But I like this positioning thing. Preparation. I saw that video.
  6. 390beretta

    390beretta Long timer

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    Red9, If you glanced in your mirror and all you saw was "chrome grill", then you hadn't been paying enough attention in the moments before that happened. Your post doesn't really provide enough info: Were you first at the light? Or were you 2-3 cars back? From your post it appears that no one had yet stopped behind you? It's sooo easy to blame others for our lacks. I'm happy you weren't hurt, but when you ride in an urban environment, given all the shit that cagers do, your safety is YOUR responsibility! The alternative is getting hurt or worse and feeling sorry for yourself the rest of your life.
  7. Homey

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    Yep, it was freshly painted and they were supposed to mark it. You're right, they put some kind of powdery stuff on it, slicker than snot. I wasn't actually leaning while on the paint I was slowing. Not even hard on the brakes and only going 20mph or so. One should be able to ride over a painted arrow at that speed without having to worry about falling on your head. If it was wet it would have been a different situation but, it never rains down here in sunny SoCal. :evil
  8. scootrboi

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  9. Red9

    Red9 Been here awhile

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    I wasn't at a light.
    The car that hit me pulled out of a grocery store parking lot about 150 behind me.
    It was driven by an older gentlemen (mid 70's) who pulled out quickly to miss the oncoming traffic I was waiting for and he obviously didn't see me.
    I was turning off a four lane left onto a side street. As there was oncoming traffic I had to come to a stop. Amazingly I was returning from the bank after making the final payment on the bike...
    After he hit the bike he continued on, until it was under his car and I believe he finally became aware of it. I actually chased him down and threw my helmet at his front window after he stopped. When the police arrived they cuffed me and threw me on the ground until witnesses told them what had happened and they looked under the car to see my bike pointing in the same direction as the car.

    AS to checking my mirrors... I had been and always have constantly checked my rear mirrors likely more than anyone you know. One year earlier in heavy traffic while stopped I had been rear-ended by a transport. I had nowhere to go but sit there and listen to his locked up brakes screaming before he nailed me and sandwiched me into the car in front of me... drove both knees into the dash, broke my seat in two., broke my wife's seat and injured my kid in the back. All they had was lap belts back then...
    I guess there is a bit of a commonality here because I got out of the car, climbed up the truck step, opened his door, and yanked him out onto the street. Adrenalin... lol I was going to kill him.

    Hope this answers your questions.

    Don't see how I could have possibly done any better in the first instance.
    One second no bumper, next second all I saw was chrome and dived. I've actually been quite proud that my reactions were as quick as they were.
  10. DAKEZ

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    It's a forum. I believe this was his way of asking questions. Your posts tend to be helpful (even though we disagree for the most part about car tires) and I believe (390's) are meant to be helpful as well.

    How I read his post was he is trying to get more details from you to help other riders learn so they might escape suffering the same fate.
  11. Red9

    Red9 Been here awhile

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    My apologies.

    I am the one who needed to go back and re-read.

    Hopefully my adjusted post will answer questions posed.
  12. 390beretta

    390beretta Long timer

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    Yep Dakez, you're correct about my intent. Red9, no apology necessary. Dakez is correct, I guess I didn't quite understand your posts. Thanks to both you guys!