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Discussion in 'Vendors' started by kltk1, Sep 11, 2013.
And don't think for a second they (RDL) aren't monitoring this thread...
I'm happy enough to wait and see. OP did a great job of getting interest, kudos, etc.
RDL has to meter their business too. Too many orders creates a crush and long lead time. When they cant see a backlog of a couple months then the idea becomes more interesting to them. February works fine for me.
Again, thanks OP, it seems like a thankless job, however I can tell you the effort is appreciated. I have a workshop full of items I would never have gotten (feck, some I may never use....) if it had not been for guys like you coordinating quality materials procurements.
Cheers - you get to SF Bay area I'll buy you pizza and beer.
It's an interesting game that we're playing.
We riders recognize the quality of RDL's product and would love to sit on it. But it is expensive. So some of us only dream.
RDL, like any business, experiences "seasonal" peaks and troughs in it's sales, so sometimes it offers "special pricing" as a stimulus during the slow times.
As word has gotten out about seasonal "group buys", RDL's sales have probably evened out - but are they actually selling more saddles? Or are buyers who might otherwise have payed full price during "peak" season - or in the Fall - delaying until winter and paying less?
Only RDL knows for sure, but their Fall business does NOT need to suffer as we eager "thrifty" potential future buyers scare away REAL buyers NOW.
We act like we're helping them, but we might actually only be messing up their sales NOW.
It's no wonder that they want to be "in charge" of if/when/how they offer a "winter incentive". They are not "the bad guys", they are just trying to run a profitable business....
This is business, fair, plain and simple. Purchasing power is nothing new. Nobody is screwing with anyone.
RDL is no different than any other company and for sure if there in interest in 150+ seats right now, they see the money and value. What they probably don't have is the time.
I would recon at least one other seat maker is following this thread. It's 150 seats that once bought from somewhere else is lost opportunity.
Again its fair business to try to negotiate attractive pricing and terms.
I'm sure they are also aware that the group buy discount is the ONLY way some people will buy one of their saddles. While I love mine, I don't think I would EVER pay the full price because it's so ridiculously expensive for a farkle that has to stay with the bike (well, unless your next bike is the same pan).
So shutting down a group buy may cause some of the people on that list to go and pay full price, but overall, my guess is it will eliminate much more revenue than it generates.
Game, no game, whatever their strategy... life is too short; my build date is 30 SEP.
Recently had a bike that came with an RDL and I want another one! Bought a second seat for this very reason. Was just about to drop the order when I saw this, so no biggie. Sure it would sting a bit if it were turned back on tomorrow, but honestly, in the grand scheme of things, the $ I'd save if I'd hold out would be pissed away by something else while I sat and wondered if the GB would get turned back on.
IMO the second seat is the only way to go - no down time and the ability to keep or sell when I replace the bike.
To the organizer, thank you, Sir, for your efforts. You may kindly remove me from the list and make the day of 151>.
To be honest, My Rocket Touring long haul seat is pretty comfortable, I'm not in a real hurry to replace it. If I get a good deal on one via the GB, I will, otherwise, probably not.
Sure we may be messing up their sales now, but very few last year and I suspect just as few this year will break off the GB list as the poster above did to buy a seat at full price now.
Most of the list members here have thought about a RDL seat for sometime, but refused to pay their premium price. Quite a few have missed out on a group buy in year's past and vowed to get in on the next one that takes place. Others have bought before during a group buy and have since bought a new bike they would like to see equipped with a RDL.
Of course they are not the bad guys, but let's be real here... Most people that want a seat now are going to buy a seat now. They are not going to wait until it's too cold to ride (if there is such a thing) to order a seat at a discount. Only we "thrifty" people are going to do that and a great number us are so thrifty that we will only buy when the beloved discount is applied.
I care just enough now to wait a while and see if this thing happens. If it does, great. If not, I'll be trying either a mustang wide touring seat or a custom from Rick Mayer.
I feel pretty much the same way about my Hammock. If I had an ounce of sense I would save my money and not buy anything.
It's great for day trips and when I throw my Airhawk R on it, it's tour worthy. Maybe I should just buy me those Rinehart pipes I've been thinking about!
Rick Meyer and RDL share the same technology, yes? No? I read somewhere, or thought I did there was a sale of some sort from RM to RDL. Are they pretty much equivalents?
I have also heard that the Mayer family owned what is now RDL, but not sure if it's true. Both Mayer brothers build a RDL-like seat but I think RDL owns the rights to the spring style wing seat. If you look at the two side by side you can see the difference.
I have been looking for a good seat for some time and had settled on the idea of a RDL, so jumped on the group buy list as I don't know when I would have, if ever got around to buying one otherwise. Main reason for picking the RDL was I could find lots of people who had had a RDL and another type and said the RDL was best, but almost none, if any, that said the opposite.
Anyway a few people are talking about Mayer saddles, I've never heard of Mayer so just done some research. They sound good, but in the same vein as above, has anybody had a RDL and a Mayer? Comments on both? Which would you buy again and why?
Yes. I've had both a RICK Mayer and an RDL. While the Mayer is a nice seat, the RDL is better, in my opinion. The RDL breaks in to a nice pocket you sit into and you never think about discomfort again. The Mayer is good but never really changes from the day you first put your butt on it. It's firm, yet comfortable. When I purchased my R1200RT I had choice as I had experience with both and chose RDL.
Having said all that, keep a very close eye on this thread folks. I can't provide details yet but within the next few days I'm going to make an announcement.
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Regarding Mayer once owning RDL. Here's how the story goes, as I understand it. Bill Mayer Sr invented what we now know as the RDL seat and was quite successful back in, I think the early 80's. He sold the rights the to suspension seat system to, what is now, RDL with the agreement he wouldn't make seats for xx number of years. Bill Mayer has two sons, Rick and Bill jr (aka Rocky). When Sr passed Rocky took over what is now Bill Mayer Saddles (BMS) and Rick formed his own company. My understanding is a BMS and an RMS are not that far apart in terms of design and comfort. Rick uses high end, medical grade, foams. Where Bill uses high end foam and some sort of high end "core" system. Comfort between the two is supposedly equal. YMMV.
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FWIW, I shot RDL a note (without mentioning the group buy! Don't shoot!) and asked a few questions.
One that might be pertinent here is that they can build an RDL seat on a Sargent seat pan. I have a "spare" and after riding on it for 1500 miles I hate it.
For those of you with shorter passengers, I had RDL build my FJR's saddle so that the passenger seat was a few inches higher than normal. It looks a little funny, but my wife is happy and at the end of the day I care more about her being happy and our bums not being sore.
Ok folks. I, unexpectedly, got the details early and was able to put together the following deal with.................... Bill Mayer Saddles.
Before I provide the details let me state the following. I am, in no way, upset with RDL and their decision not to have a group buy this year. Am I disappointed, yes. I'm a fan of RDL and was looking forward to a new seat. However, they run a business to make a profit, that's what all businesses do, and they have to make business decisions that they feel best support their business and their business plan. On the other hand, we, as consumers, have a right to spend money where we feel we get the best value for our hard earned dollars. For me, an RDL at 20% off hits that mark and, unfortunately, that's not going to be the case this year. So, with all that being said........ Read on.
I spoke with Bill Mayer today (He prefers to be called Rocky) and we worked out the following group buy to those that are interested in his offer. I think he's being more than fair at offering his seats on a group buy for us at 25% off. He's requiring at least 50 committed sales to honor the discount and is prepared for as many orders as we can throw his way. However, he would like to have this group buy complete by the end of November. Meaning, he would like to have all orders fulfilled and back to you, the customer, by late November. He requested I make clear to everyone that your seats will be converted and on their way back to you in 3-4 days from the day they receive your seat and that he will begin scheduling/building seats as soon as we hit the 50 seat threshold.
I'm going to create a new thread for the Bill Mayer Group Buy 2013-14 and will begin taking names immediately for the new list. See the new thread for details on how to get on the list. There are still a few, logistical, issues to work out with Bill.
Hmmm... Not what I was hoping to hear from the announcement. I just ordered a Mustang Super Touring Saddle from Dennis Kirk. They have a great 90 day return policy. If I like the Mustang, I'm out of it all. If not, I'll return it and figure something else out.
So the immediate question for me is, will you still keep this list in case RDL change their mind?
After the response I got above I would prefer a RDL to a Bill Mayer.
I think kltk1 has given up on Russell Day Long and I can't say that I blame him. They have shit on him as they shit on me the year before. The way they shit on the GL 1800 GB administrator the year before that and the FJR 1300 administrator the year before that. RDL cares only about a dollar and nothing about the institution that makes their business successful; word of mouth advertising on the Internet Motorcycle Forums.
I'm going to date myself here and many of you young guys won't even know what I'm talking about...
I'm like Joel Goodson (Tom Cruise in Risky Business) when the Admissions Officer tells him he's not Princeton material.
"Look's like the University of Illinois!"
Russell Day Long can kiss my Wayfarer sunglasses wearing ass!!