Rustproofing '08 Subaru In Cleveland & Tires

Discussion in 'The Garage' started by Motocicletta, Oct 19, 2013.

  1. jon_l

    jon_l Long timer

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    I bought a new '04 Impreza in Oct '03, and had it oil sprayed and undercoated within 2 weeks of purchasing. I did it annually, (or bi-annually, as I had a couple lay-offs) for the first 7-8 years of ownership. Then I noticed rust starting on my rear fenders, so I stopped throwing good money after bad.

    I won't do that again.

    Blizzaks on a Subaru are awesome in winter. When they wore out I replaced them with Nokian Hakkapellitas. Both are fantastic winter tires. I live on a city street that is very far down on the plowing priority list, so it isn't always done the day snow falls, sometimes not at all. Several times I have stopped the Impreza (2.5 normally aspirated automatic trans) on an unplowed street that, after a day of being compacted by cars, was packed to ice. I can floor it with the front wheels straight and I CANNOT MAKE THE WHEELS SPIN.

    Also, look at local conditions to decide whether the issue is more snow or ice, since all winter tires are better for one or the other. City driving tends to be icy, and rural tends to be deeper snow. Regardless, any decent winter tire is light-years better than any all season. The differences are not just in the tread design, but also rubber compounds; winter tires are designed for traction at lower temperatures.

    If you need new summer tires and new winter tires, the Nokian WR-G2 are supposed to be a good compromise for year-round use.
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  2. WYO George

    WYO George Been here awhile

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    I don't envy those of you who live where they use salt on the roads. Out here in Wyoming they just use sand which is nice because it doesn't destroy vehicles as bad (except the normal Wyoming Windshield Casualites)

    My Subaru is a 2005 with 111k miles on it and not one spot of rust anywhere. I run Goodyear Ultra Grip snow tires year round and they last good and the grip is excellent in dry, snow or mud.

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  3. Motocicletta

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    Not wanting to change wheels and tires Ms. Motocicletta called Tire Rack and was told not to drive year around on the ones with the snow mountain logo because they are too soft.

    So we got Continental Extreme Contact DWS, not the advrider way (Nokian Hakkapeliitta) but what she and her old man can do, no wheel changes or studs.

    I thought that the thread was blocky and with a good number of sipes.

    The tires on the car now are the originals from 2008 and are 50% worn, so new tires should make an improvement, the Continetals have letter wear indicators that say what wear is good for snow, rain or summer.

    It turns out that the underside of the Impreza is washed at every snow season's end.

    We appreciate all the help,
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  4. H96669

    H96669 A proud pragmatist.

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    You wouldn't be the guy from Wyoming riding a GS I met last summer? Had to tell him that the mud caked on his bike was salted, they do that here for dust abatment.Being from Wyoming he wasn't aware of that.:wink: Corrosive all year some of our roads, I bet there is rust on my rotors again today.:eek1

    Gotta go and spray my bike with Salt-Away. May do the car at the same time.:wink:
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  5. MrPulldown

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    Those contis are pretty good. But still not a snow tire like the blizzaks.

    A good modern studless snow tire IMO works better than a studded tire, even on ICE.

    No problem running them in the winter except that you will eat through in the rubber in a very short time. Only the top half of most snow tires are the good rubber. Then it is just plain ol all season

    I have two sets of wheels and tires for all our vehicles. Seems like what ends up happening is I run fresh winters for the winter. And old winters for the summer.
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  6. Motocicletta

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    I am not 100% on the Contis, but It was the best we could do, no swapping wheels, no studs, no driving with snows in the summer, easy for her to buy from Tirerack and a close by installer. The Nokian all season have way more sipes, but there was not a dealer nearby.
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  7. Bump Stop

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    Those tires are going to suck compared to a snow tire. No one from tire rack is going to tell you it is safe to drive on snow tires in the summer, they will sell you an all season every time even though a snow tire would be the best for your needs.
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  8. Mgbgt89

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    They use so much damn salt here you could drive on bald ass summer tires. Those tires will not suck. They'll be fine. Youre not crossing tundra with them.
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  9. Bump Stop

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    How many sets of snow tires have you used? and which ones were they?
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  10. WYO George

    WYO George Been here awhile

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    No sir, it wasn't me. I ride a VFR, no GS in teh stable at this time. :1drink
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  11. Mgbgt89

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    None. I did perfectly fine in a 2wd pickup with no weight in the bed and all terrain tires before i got my focus. The key is don't drive like a jack ass, a hard concept for many here to grasp.
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  12. H96669

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    :roflIf you come this way I'll point you toward that gravel Highway. Very nice ride but can be somewhat salty. No problem there with a VFR,and none that I can see with the K1200RS. Wanna see the paint flakes we scraped off a GS, lots of them.:evilThat BMW coating sure doesn't do good in the salt.:eek1 But the owner says it is a GS and shouldn't be washed.....:rofl
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  13. Bump Stop

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    Then I guess you would be unqualified to compare the tires he listed and a set of snow tires.

    A modern set of snows is amazing, my rear wheel drive RX-7 on snows is faster than AWD cars on all seasons on a plowed lake, from a standing start on a mile plus long course. It's not about driving like a jackass, it's about being able to avoid a crash when the unexpected happens.:1drink
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  14. Mgbgt89

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    I've driven cars with snow tires, I agree they are amazing. My uncle has a Diesel golf with blizzaks and it's amazing how hard that thing will pull on a snowy parking lot.

    I just feel that the cost isn't justified for the 2 days a year that you actually get benefit out of a tire like that here. They're too good at snow removal here. I hate it. When i lived in Indiana I got days worth of fun on snowy roads before they were cleared. Here a big snow is cleared in hours, leaving just a salty slush.
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  15. Motocicletta

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    So wife has the tires delivered by Tire Rack to the nearby recommended installer in Cleveland. We live in LA, she is there helping her father.

    We have this ongoing argument on how nicer Cleveland is compared to LA, Im', for LA, she is for Cleveland.

    So she sends a picture of Highway Auto Center, the installer to prove her point, I have to agree, the place looks like a bank, plenty of parking, not crowded inside, the equivalent where we live would be on stinking Lincoln Blvd, crowded, crappier industrial type shop and Jose instead of Jack would be your friendly tire technician.



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  16. Mgbgt89

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    But in LA you wouldn't need snow tires.
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  17. seuadr

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    Agreed. i've got an '06 that has lived 160k in michigan it's entire life with salt and the like. not even a hint of corrosion anywhere on it (except the battery cable! :eek1 ) friend has a 99' impreza wagon, little bit of rust on the corners/bottom of the doors where the paint has clearly been worn off over the years and that is about it.

    rustproofing is probably a must for some - but imho at least in my experience, it doesn't appear to have been needed for my subaru. :clap
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  18. kantuckid

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    #21 got it right. Winter compound tires are great in the winter when temps are low as they help maintain traction. In warm weather they are not safe as too squirmy & thus important to switch back to a "normal" tire or compromise & buy "all season" tires in the 1st place. Snow tires are not best for traction once you are back on bare pavement, even in the winter-which has been suggested by the salt comments above.
    My wife used to commute in a VW TDI new beetle & I changed it over to hygroscopic winter tires in winter then back as we live in bad winter access location. They are great tires in snow & ice! Then they need to come off. Staying alive is a great benefit they can offer but AWD sure has em beat...
    Subaru's of the past rusted long before mechanically worn out-not true now days. I had an 82 model that rusted just thinking about winter! Doors, fenders,front, back, yuk.
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  19. Motocicletta

    Motocicletta ridetowork

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    Will report on tires soon, they will be better mostly because they are new, like Splitfire plugs are so much better than the 60,000 miles old Champions.


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    Cleveland auto repair shop, looks like a bank, Jack no Jose. Not crowded, clean plenty of parking. I'm still not moving there.

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  20. Bump Stop

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    After running multiple sets of snow tires and driving all over the U.S. I can tell you that, you are wrong.
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