Sachs Madass 125 or Sym Wolf Classic 150

Discussion in 'Battle Scooters' started by iMav, Jun 23, 2013.

  1. blugg1

    blugg1 Been here awhile

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    I did a 200 mile ride on my TU250X one Sunday: Bisbee to Willcox to Benson to Sierra Vista and back to Bisbee. The TU is quite similar to the Wolf and I don't remember hating the seat when I returned home. Plus the seats on both bikes are long enough to enable moving back and forth.
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  2. wheelbender6

    wheelbender6 Been here awhile

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    I'd have to go with the Sym Wolf because I loved the appearance of the Honda CBs. I'm a Buddy 125 rider and it is very practical for commuting and errands. Sometimes, we want more than practical.
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  3. JerryH

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    " Sometimes, we want more than practical" I certainly have to agree with that. I would have bought a TU when it first came out if it had a centerstand. The Wolf 150 does. And it is certainly a great looking bike. I wonder how it would handle a 230 pound rider.
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  4. blugg1

    blugg1 Been here awhile

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    That's the one deficiency in the TU: No center stand. Although by now there may be aftermarket ones available.

    Also, I don't know why they keep making gray bikes (or variations on gray). I had a red one (2009?) and it was absolutely striking. Possibly Suzuki got a killer buy on gray paint because my 2012 Suzuki DR650 is also gray, as is the 2013. And my DR is a wonderful shade of WWII US Navy battleship gray, a color guaranteed to escape the "watchful" eyes of cage drivers. Thank God my helmet is white, and I'm thinking about junking my black Tourmaster 3/4 length coat and getting one of those day-glo lime green ones.
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  5. DudeClone

    DudeClone Long timer

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    i found gitsum's old thread with some very nice pics. the wolf just looks cool imo. and its aesthetics would seem very, very good. for around $3000 in a little bike you could do worse imo

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    kek 'back in the saddle again

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  7. JerryH

    JerryH Banned

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    The Wolf 150 is a motorcycle. I really have no idea what the Grom is. Maybe an overgrown skateboard??? There is already a huge Grom thread here.

    Back to the Wolf, it is a beautiful bike overall. I just keep hearing about problems with the little details. They seem to have more to do with poor quality materials than anything else. Paint that turns blotchy, chrome that rusts, rubber and plastic that rots and cracks. I can't confirm any of this, it's just what I read on the SYM forum, with one exception. I did look at one at a local SYM dealer several months ago, and did find some cracked rubber parts on it, brand new on the showroom floor.

    However, I did pay $3000 for a new 2 stroke Stella with many of the same issues, poor electrical system, and a seizure prone engine. So the Wolf might not be a bad deal at all for someone who wants to relive the old days of 1970 Hondas. It's probably more reliable than the Stella mechanically.
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  8. WheelsnKeels

    WheelsnKeels Bikes n Boats

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    I purchased my '12 Wolf in late July and have put ~1800 miles on her, mostly in-town but including a trip of over 500 highway miles to the NC mountains last week, loaded with 70+ lbs of gear/bags/etc. Rode that at 55-65 the whole way (except for in the twisties, of course... ;) ). She runs like a champ. Paint is beautiful and uniform, no rust on her. A conversation piece wherever I go. They get great mileage, are a *blast* to ride, and are simple and mechanically reliable.

    The only quality issue reported by Wolf owners across the board is *just* the rubber bases, *only* on the turn signals. Easily fixed by either removing the rubber from the turn signal stalk, or by swapping them out. No other common rubber or plastic, paint or rust issues.

    We have had some confusion lately WRT the fuel tank capacity. The Alliance Power Sports website has it at 3+ gallons, but just in the past week or two a couple or three of us have figured out that that is a gallon optimistic. Oops, dammit. ;) That is not really a drawback, once you know.

    No bike is perfect, of course, but the Wolf is damned close, if it is the kind of ride you are looking for.

    To quote 'ootscoot', a well regarded dealer in LA (IIRC) who's sold ~50 Wolves now: "Problems with any bike get a lot of attention; reliable, long lasting and fun bikes just get ridden."

    Look through the 11 pages of threads at the owners Forum, and you'll find that the large majority of "problems" reported are by are new owners learning their bikes, nearly all of them are simple issues, things like squeaky brakes, owners learning to shift, or maybe rejetting needed due to altitude change. Almost all of those threads end something along the lines of "oops, I did xxx wrong" or "Fixed! I just needed to adjust xxx"....and that is the last you hear of it; that Wolf owner is out riding now. :)

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    Comparing the Stella and the Wolf:

    Over on the ModernBuddy Forum, in the Stella-specific section, of the 70 threads listed on the first page, based on the titles I see, 20 of them are in regards to mechanical issues with Stellas.

    Of the first 70 threads in the Wolf forum, only 8 have to deal with mechanicals. None approach the severity of some of the Stella topics. Thank Deity. :D

    There is an ADVRider member I know of who owns both a Wolf and a Stella, I'll ask him to add his input here.
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  9. olhogrider

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    That's me! I rode my 2011 Triumph Scrambler to the SYM dealer in Sonoma. It is still there, for sale (make offer). One ride on the baby Wolf and I was sold. At 57 years old I think it is too late for a midlife crisis. How about reliving my childhood? This bike makes me feel like I did when I was 15 and running from the cops on my Honda S90. The only quality issue has been the turn signal rubbers and I only discovered that because I was taking them off at the time. Remounting the signals without the rubbers brings them inboard where they should be in the first place. Everywhere I go people ask "what is it?" and "how much does it cost?". Many people compliment me on the excellent restoration job I did.

    The only mod this bike needs is the 17 tooth countershaft sprocket. Thats a 45 minute job for a home mechanic. It transforms the bike! Top speed is 65 still but it does it at a little lower rpm. Now when drafting I can get to 75 before the rev limiter kicks in.

    I have a Stella 2 stroke. I like the Wolf so much I think I'll trade the Stella for another Wolf! The Taiwan domestic model has a different seat, handlebars and a small rear rack. One of the SYM forum members is in Taiwan and sells those parts. Im thinking of getting knobby trials tires and making a Scrambler out of it. I won't change my Cafe Classic though. I like it too much.

    The only thing I don't like is the tank decals. Unfortunately, they are under the clearcoat. Normally that is a sign of quality but it meant some time with sandpaper and rattle cans to make it the way I want.

    Last week I was on the coast road by Palos Verdes when I came up on an old Honda 160. He had a red frame and silver tank and side panels. My red frame and black tank looked like they were brothers. Mine was quieter too. I even like the sound.

    Is is practical like a twist and go scooter? No. There is no storage. But I can wheelie! Out the door it was $2000 less than my daughter's CBR250 and every bit as much fun!
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  10. CallMeBoog

    CallMeBoog hi functioning idiom

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    looks like an absolute riot. I want one.

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    shoe some K761's on it:

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    You got yourself an all around capable little bike that can also go down some trails and gravel with confidence.

    Although that Legendary Honda Pricetag sure sucks.
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  11. JerryH

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    I think I will go back and take another look at the Wolf. If it is decent quality except just for the turn signal stems, it definitely interests me. Like the Stella, it is the real thing. An ancient carbed air cooled motor, skinny rear tire, and a centerstand, which eliminates the tube type tires as an issue. It even has a kickstarter. If it will carry my 230 pounds, and enough stuff to fix flat tires, I just might have to dig into my piggybank and get one. I have a dealer only a few miles away. http://scooterinvasion.com/sym-scooters/sym-wolf-classic-150/
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  12. blugg1

    blugg1 Been here awhile

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    Jerry,

    How much is the Wolf Classic at the Tempe store?
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  13. JerryH

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    I'll find out tomorrow.
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  14. wheelbender6

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    I saw a MadAss on EBay where the owner had installed a 200cc motor on it. He claimed a 70mph top speed. It would certainly even up the contest if Tomberlein offered a 200cc mill on the MadAss from the show room.
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  15. DaBinChe

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    Wolf all the way. Quality will be much better. I trust SYM. Check out my SYM Symba ride to AK from CA.

    MadAss quality just isn't there. I use to work at a shop that sold the MadAss and I'm not fond of it. The ergonomics is awful, the seat makes you slide forward and puts all your weight on your wrists and shoulders.
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