Safari Tank Wrap Day

Discussion in 'Crazy-Awesome almost Dakar racers (950/990cc)' started by Narsisco Lopez, May 19, 2012.

  1. Peanuts

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    What you need is a real carbon fibre wrap, proper carbon fibre, resin and all, effectively an outer shell of carbon :)
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  2. syzygy9

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    Great job and good write-up. My own meagre experimentation with small laser cut vinyl stickers had the same problem. And these were relatively small so not much surface area. So I don't hold our much hope. However the 'adventure' writing that comes standard on these tanks does work (paint?) so we know something works, just need to find out what that something is.
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  3. Narsisco Lopez

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    Like I mentioned over in the "10G+ Club" thread, it's pretty certain that the "Adventure" isn't painted on, but embedded in the tank in the mold.
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  4. DRjoe

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    Kinda like these

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    Not for a 950/990 but you get the idea.
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  5. Peanuts

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    Cool :)
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  6. Rensen

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    Nice keep it going :clap
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  7. Loutre

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    This looks great!

    And since I haven't said it before:
    Thanks for the follow up on your case! best of luck in the future. and if you don't mind posting a link of your alaska adventure...
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  8. 1coolbanana

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    Any updates on the wraps or paint jobs holding?
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  9. Bowser

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    If you can find a company who will do it, then Flouride treat the tanks on the inside before use and that will prevent the vapor getting into the plastic, its not the paint or decals thats the problem it is the fuel vapor getting into the plastic. that would probably also allow the tanks to be repaired if damaged as the only reason you cant is that once the fuel vapor gets into the plastic no method of resealing them will work.

    However its finding someone who can and will do it for you, there is the problem !!!

    http://www.fluoroseal.com/faq_perm.html

    The original tanks and other makers such as the Touratech GS tank and the HPN tank now use polymide nylon plastic, and that is impervious to the fuel vapor.
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  10. 1coolbanana

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    Thanks for that info.
    Ive searched but there appears no one in Australia who would do this :cry
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    I like the dog Oh the bike is nice to.:1drink:1drink:1drink
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  12. ciedema

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    So can ask a dumb question? Is there any reason why the Safari tanks can't be made out the same stuff as the KTM tanks?
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  13. 1coolbanana

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    I believe its because the material they use to make safari tanks lends itself to a more simple and cheap process called roto molding.

    Decent materials like the oem that can be painted etc needs to be injection molded or blow molded and is a much more expensive process as is also the raw plastic material.

    In other words, they are a small company and started out on the cheap, it worked and now they are raking in the buckets of our money.
    So as far as they are concerned, why bother doing it any better and having to invest more money when they dont need to.

    Shame, but thats life!

    Its just a shame no one else did it either.
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    Yes they don't endear themselves to many Aussie riders when the tanks are cheaper in the US than Australia where they are made.

    Maybe the project needs to be to find someone to make them out the material we want.
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  15. 1coolbanana

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    I wish, but Im thinking that now with the 1190, we have missed the boat for the 990/950. They (whoever might take on such a project) have had 10 years to do it and nothing!

    Hope Im wrong but its a big investment which if anybody had known early on of the sales potential would not have hesitated but now, I dunno!

    Shame :cry
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  16. Bowser

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    I think its more likley that they make the tanks themselves and dont want to farm it out, the rest of their stuff is all made in the same way, however you can roto mold polyimide in the same way as polythene.
    In the uk about, £2-3000 for the tooling, x2 for both sides plus the cost of the design process, unless you can laser scan a set of safari ones (forgetting of course the copyright issues), so in the region of £6-10000 even before you get to actual manufacture.
    I am tempted to get a set made in Ali even as a one off it should come out to close to the same cost of the safari tanks.
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  17. ciedema

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    I wonder if Safari would have a go at doing the out of polymide. Are the moulds the same?
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  18. Bowser

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    should be,
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