Safari Tank Wrap Experiment - Graphics Feedback Requested

Discussion in 'Crazy-Awesome almost Dakar racers (950/990cc)' started by Narsisco Lopez, May 2, 2012.

  1. Narsisco Lopez

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    Seems like a cheap experiment and worthy of a shot.

    Another inmate was talking about sealing the INSIDE of the tank and included a link to a German site which had a video showing the mult-step process. But, damn it... I thought I'd bookmarked it, but can't find it. Anybody see it and remember where it is?

    Anyway... all these ideas have validity and are worth exploring if we're ever gonna succeed at dressing up these tanks a bit :D
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  2. Deadly99

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    Would it be possible to dye the the tank ? Obviously the finish wouldnt be as nice but might be a nice solution to folks with the yellow ones. Just a thought
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  3. Xtremjeepn

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    I had couple of Warn fender flares for a Jeep painted years ago. I remember there was an extensive process used to get the paint to stick to them. They said they had to bake the flares to "sweat out" the oils in the plastic, then wipe them down with something and bake them again.

    All the plastic tanks I have felt seem like the same type of plastic. I'm sure that some of these smaller companies just don't go to the extra time, effort and expense to prep their "off road" tanks before selling them.

    If you took a set of these to a GOOD body shop they could probbly get paint to stick to them. Then you could do whatever you want to over them.
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  4. Narsisco Lopez

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    Man, DO I feel your pain!

    Thanks... let's hope it lasts more than a few days before the leprosy kicks in :rofl
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  5. MotoTex

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    I recently did a lot of research on coloring an IMS tank. If the Safari is also made of Polyethylene it is nearly impossible to get a durable color change to last.

    In order to dye this material the temps required will likely deform the shape of the tank.

    No paints, household dyes or solid decals have any long-lasting reviews in the several forums I've looked in. Everything I've read has eventually been disappointing.

    Reading in non-mc forums about dying plastics (RC cars, plastic industry, DIY sites, etc.) have all indicated that the only way to permanently color this type of plastic is during the initial creation of the part.

    I think that the perforated wrap (like those used on windows) has the best chance to survive on this plastic that has a tendency to absorb and out-gas the fuel fumes. This is similar to the material the after-market provides to the MX crowd for their graphics.

    Looking forward to seeing how this goes. I'm still wanting to try a wrap on the IMS for my DRZ, and will be following your tests.

    Thanks!
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  6. PS-RagE

    PS-RagE Been here awhile

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    I've had a large piece of black vinyl (8"x8") stuck to my tank for the last three weeks to see how well it would hold. It is sticking just fine and has not bubbled. That is good 'cause that word "Adventure" has to go!
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  7. DesertSurfer

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    I'm surprised no one has gotten a stitched safari tank cover out of cotton vinyl like we used to have in the late 70's on our plastic and metal desert tanks. That cotton breathes really well. You can get it in many colors. It's easy to work with. Any good upholsterer can put one together. It would probably be a great UV blocker. You can adhere decals on them.

    But I still think the carbon fiber looking plastic wrap looks tits.

    All those lucky Safari super Tankers...
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  8. Platypus-3in1

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    Thats Interesting
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  9. LukasM

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    Yeah that's pretty much it. Some plastic tanks like the OEM KTM big bike tanks are made from Nylon (Polyamide 6 ) and those don't breathe, so they can be painted just fine. They weigh more however and are not as robust as a PE tank (which the factory rally bikes use).
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  10. Geek

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    ..ask your brother what he'd charge to wrap my 2011 Sprinter's hood in the same "carbon" he used on your tank :freaky

    [​IMG]
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  11. Oz Nutter

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    Having worked outback, in station country, most of the mustering bikes have fitted canvas coverings on tank/seat to prevent damage (it works too) I reckon old mate above is on to something.

    low cost
    easily reverts to stock come sale time
    easily repaired/resistent to damage
    change color/graphics in minutues!!
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    Question: If the tank expands and contracts from direct sun/heat ... Does that stuff expand and contract at the same rate ... Will it start to crack and become particles floating in the gas? ... If so that would be a real headache to clean out ... If not that would be a great fix
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    If their quoted 3000psi bonding strength is even close to accurate, that should be plenty strong enough to not only keep it bonded, it might actually prevent the tank from expanding in the first place.

    The only issue I see is getting the stuff to thoroughly coat all the surfaces evenly... these tanks are oddly-shaped, after all.
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    Right! ... What about that stuff going on the outside before a vinyl wrap :scratch
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    I was also wondering about that. It'd either have to set up smooth enough or at least be sand-able to make the exterior surfaces smooth enough so you don't get weird bumps and drips that would show right through the wrap.
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  17. Platypus-3in1

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    How about brushing on this 3000psi sealer ... While it is still wet (DesertSurferÂ’s & Oz NutterÂ’s Suggestion) lay Marine Grade Cotton Vinyl over it ... 3rd ... Brush on one more coat ... 4th ...Spray it with sand-able primer / sand ... 5th ... Apply your Wrap or take it to a Paint Shop?


    Or ...

    Tensile and Sheer are probably different ... 3000psi Bonding would be how much force it would take to pull it off ... Whats the compression & stretch ... I bet its different

    Stronger ... Brush on the 3000psi Caswell Epoxy Gas Tank Sealer ... let dry and reapply a couple times ... Wrap the entire tank once or twice with Kevlar or Carbon Fiber sheets .... That might contain any swelling and the sealer might stop the gasses from bubbling Wraps & Paint ...

    Sounds good to me ... But ... I wonder ... If that wouldn't be a 10 gallon BOMB :kboom waiting to go off
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