Saga 250cc- Keeps Stalling!

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  1. Scooterchick

    Scooterchick And then what?

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    Does anyone own a Saga 250cc? Are you having problems with starts and stalls? I am! I have only had the bike for a month. I'm new to this forum and trying to find my way around on here. Anyway, we are taking the bike back to the mechanic AGAIN today to get it adjusted. It is still in the breakin period with only 279 k's on it, but has consistantly stalled on me; even in traffic. Yesterday, it cut off on me while I was rolling down the highway!

    Any ideas what this might be?? The bike is still under warranty, but the idea of it cutting off on me again in traffic is a bit unnerving....

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  2. everycredit

    everycredit Been here awhile

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    Well, an engine requires fuel, air, and spark. Any one of these components are missing, your engine will not run.

    Is it stalling during a specific circumstance, such as increasing throttle, at idle, while braking?
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  3. Scooterchick

    Scooterchick And then what?

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    It seems to be doing it mostly when I am "decreasing" throttle. It has had a few problems starting a few weeks ago, but it was still cold here at that time. We took it back and the guy did something with a "choke" thingee or something. It is a 2010, but had been sitting in the shop. Only had 19k's on it. So, my husband and I thought it might have had bad gas from sitting.

    I really like the bike, as I think I am finally getting used to it. But this cutting off on me when I am slowing down approaching curves or 20 feet from a stop is not cool....It's very unerving to me as a new rider of a bike so large.

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  4. klaviator

    klaviator Long timer

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    Run down to Wal mart or local auto parts store and get some Sea Foam fuel additive. Add some to your gas and then put some miles on your scooter. If it's bad gas or a clogged jet in your carb this "might" clear it up.
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  5. Scooterchick

    Scooterchick And then what?

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    My hubby tells me there is no SeaFoam in Canada, but we are using Chevron 91 Octane with techrone which should clean out whatever you guys are talking about. Also, he bought some "Gummout Regane" which I think is something STP gas treatment. We didn't get a chance to put it in yet as the bike is at the shop right now.

    but I think we will once it comes out. I just hope I don't have to get my money back. I really like it and was starting to get used to it......

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  6. potatoho

    potatoho Cheese and Rice!

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    You could ask for a fuel filter change. The choke is maybe one of those electronic style, which can be tested (or simply replaced). Also I have read about tank venting issues.

    I have a Kymco and if I don't run it once a month or so the carb gets all fouled and I have to clean it all out. It's got tiny pilot passages.

    Interesting about that scootdawg thread where one owner said the jet needle would unseat from the slide and hang up causing stalls. Could be I suppose.
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  7. Scooterchick

    Scooterchick And then what?

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    I just might do that if it happens again. I really want to keep this bike, but right now it just doesn't seem road worthy enough to me.

    In regard to the person on the Scootdawg forum, I wouldn't know that needle thing from the space needle in Washington...hahaha, but that is worth looking into as well.....:-).:shog

    Thanks a bunch!
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  8. Scooterchick

    Scooterchick And then what?

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    by the way, I traded my Kymco for this bigger scooter as the Kymco dealer tried to galge me on the price for a trade in. But I might get a full refund, my old bike back which only had 1028 k's on it and pay the difference. The problem is, I want a 250. I feel anything larger is too big for me. Kymco has stopped making 250cc or at least importing them to Canada this year. I don't think a 200 can get me on the highway and keep up with 90k traffic or 100k traffic in other places...... :(:
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  9. bvardi

    bvardi Probably not Deciduous

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    I did a review on a Kymco Frost 200i - pretty zippy little thing, and I did take it out on the higway no problem. (It didn't accelerate quite as well as my Kymco Bet and Win 250, but it still got up to some pretty decent speeds and the acceleration wasn't bad by any means) I've also heard the new People GT 200i is pretty good - both these models being fuel injected and fairly lightweight.

    I'd see if you could get on a test ride for one of the fuel injected ones, might surprise you for capability. (but in the end, you have to judge based on local roads, your comfort zone, etc)
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  10. Scooterchick

    Scooterchick And then what?

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    yes, I initially wanted to buy the Frost, but the dealer would not part with it. It was the only one in the showroom and he said he used it himself.......sheesh. Then I asked about the Bet And Win. Well, it was not in Canada at the time. He got ONE in and the guy who purchased it, rode it for a week or so, put over 3,000k's on it and wanted to sell it for 4,000 dollars. Which I thought was a joke!

    My choice though would have been the Frost. I don't care for the style of the Bet and Win and Kymco has disconntinued them in Canada anyway for whatever reason. The Downtown is too big and bulky for me. So, that's out too.

    I might check back into the Frost or at least see if he will order me one.....I never had problems with my Vitality. Had to change the spark plug once. But other than that, it was a good running machine. I just wanted to be able to go further than around town with my husband.:babe
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  11. Forde

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    if its only a new scoot with only 280k;s on it i cant see it being a dirty carb or filter tbh
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  12. potatoho

    potatoho Cheese and Rice!

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    My brand new Kymco carb was filled with some kind of Chinese jelly I had to clean out. Something to do with the gas they use to test. I'm sure that there is some dealer prep necessary because of the rather poor QA.
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  13. Scooterchick

    Scooterchick And then what?

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    I can't either. I bought it with 19k's on it. It is a 2010 model, but nothing has changed in styling or build according to the dealer/mechanic guy. We are supposed to get it today. i plan to take it out for a long run 30-50 miles or so and see if it runs alright.
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  14. simmersonwheels

    simmersonwheels Asleep at Switch

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    Trust me, a 2010 that's been sitting around likely needs the carb cleaned.
    Only take it to someone with an ultrasonic cleaner, and have them confirm jet sizes, float height and that all the passages are clear.
    On a scooter, with todays ethanol fuel, your carb can plug in a couple of months.
    Start with a fresh spark plug.
    I see these issues all the time.
    Good luck,
    Simon
    PS, ride a Yamaha Tmax and you'll never want anything else:evil:evil
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  15. Scooterchick

    Scooterchick And then what?

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    ok, So....me and hubby picked the bike up a couple of hours ago. It seemed to be doing a LOT better. :clapIt rode smoother and the "sputtering like it was about to die sound" ( an uasually did) seems to be gone. He (the dealer mechanic guy) said that he had to adjust the valves. The intake valve (whatever that is) wasn't closing all the way. It was getting stuck in the open position.

    He was offended that I told him either he sucked as a mechanic or he sold me some junk.....ha. I said,.....Well, I said either /or! I didn't say it was definately him. He said it definately wasn't him and that it comes from the manufacturer that way. I don't understand that if you know that it comes to you that way, why these adjustments were not made BEFORE you try to sell it to someone.....(smh). :ddog. Just a thinking out loud.

    Then he went on to tell me about his 40,000 dollar car that he had to keep taking back to the shop. I told him "that's your choice"....When I buy a car or scooter, I prefer to have something road worthy and not make all of the trips back to the mechanic. Especially if I didn't buy it used! sheesh...:nono.



    Anyway, all seems to be well now. The wind about pushed me off into orbit today!:huh I will NOT be taking my maiden voyage any time today....ha



    Thanks for all of the help and mechanical suggestions everyone......I really appreciate it!.



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  16. Scooterchick

    Scooterchick And then what?

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    ok, So here is the latest.

    Hubby and I took the bike out today. Started up just fine, but sounded a bit slow to me on the idle AGAIN. Nevertheless, we went, topped if off with high test gas and went for a ride setting the trip meter before leaving. 21 k's later, the bike just quits on me. We got it started, but it sounded really low in idle again. We went about 5 or yards and boom.....just quit on me again while riding through a very crowed parking lot with lots of cars and people. Chris was ahead of me both times since I didn't know my way through the park.

    We finally had to have it towed. The dealer refused to give us a refund and return our trade-in. He said they needed to send it back to the distributor who we got on the phone and complained to and we said that the bike has never run properly. He told the mechanic to bring it back to him and they would do the work on it. He says he has gone as far as he can go with what they trained him to do.

    He rode it around a few times and it went just fine; even though we had just had it towed in. THEN, I said..." you need to ride it at about 20-30-k's and then let it idle for a minute. He did. It stalled. He tried to start it and it wouldn't until the 4th try. then he says "well, it seems to be fine now"....What a joke! And by the way, he refused to pay the tow on it as well. I asked for a loaner bike; they refused. I told him they need to give me another bike or they need to give me my money back. They said they could not refund the money. Then went on to tell me that they didn't make any money on the sale. AND that they didn't get paid from their higher ups for the service and time that they put into working on it. Now, from where I'm sitting....the bike is under warranty. Honor the thing!

    I asked my husband if he signed something that waived a refund. He had not. I said again, clearly something is wrong. The mechanic(s) agreed, but said there was nothing else they could do. Now, remember...we gave him the bike this past Tuesday and it wasn't ready umtil yesterday. He told us it was fine. He drove it for 10 k's. I told him the problem is when you are starting or slowing down. It just abruptly shuts off.
    Now, we had to leave it with them again. It's a holiday weekend here in Canada. So, it's sitting until next Wednesday to go to another city where the distributor is to be tested by THEIR mechanic. Who knows when it will come back. They have my money and my bike. I did take a video of us trying to start it, where we were, us trying to start it several more times before the tow truck guy started putting it up on the rack.

    I'm digusted. I'm soooo done.
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  17. creighta

    creighta Been here awhile

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    Chinese scoot w warranty:rofl

    I have had several Chinese bikes, great for the price IF you can work on them yourself.

    They ship w a yellow sludge in the gas parts and carb. These bikes need some mods before riding....

    Clean the carb

    Put Goodyear fuel line and a new filter on. These also have a vacuum valve to shut off the fuel, these go bad and can cause your problem, replace w a japanese one

    NEw spark plug, and check the fuel pump for pressure.

    Save some future trouble and change every rubber hose on it and replace the coolant ASAP. Last resort on these is valves, usually a gy6 issue, but about 200mi they need adjusted to run right.
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  18. Scooterchick

    Scooterchick And then what?

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    I have no idea why everyone keeps saying about these bikes being cheap. We spent a good amount of cash on this bike. It was NOT a 1500.00 deal or below.:dunno

    But wow.......sounds like a full overhaul is needed on these. I have only had Chinese one before. Bought it from a private owner and returned it to him the next day after we realized parts were missing; even though he offered to pay for the repairs.

    In this case, I'm glad about the 2 year warranty. They will have to fix it. We went to one place when we were visiting North Carolina who had scooters that looked like name brands, but weren't. AND....that dealer offered a ........(wait for it)..........30 DAY WARRANTY! We ran! haha

    I must admit, now that I know about these... I will never purchase another bike that is made in China. I just didn't see a lot of negative reviews about this bike.

    When I get it back....I'll probably look into selling it. I'll either have to get something smaller or something larger which I am not keen on.

    I'm not a mechanic by any stretch, so I'll have to hope that they get their crap together this time. And I will pass it on to someone who knows how and who wants to tinker with this. Some folks like a challenge like this.

    What you are describing sounds like a rebuild!
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  19. deezildennis

    deezildennis Its a what?

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    It's just crazy that your dealer doesn't know how to work on what they sell. Hell I had my ssr big ruckus clone special ordered from my local scooter shop and a few weeks after I had it the spark plug blew out of it. My shop offered to pick the Scoot up and lend me a shop bike if I wanted it. They had the bike for 1 day and it needed to have engine yanked and a new head put on. It was a amazing turnaround and they fixed it right. I haven't had a spot of trouble with it since. And yes my China Scoot has a pretty good warranty and free scheduled maintenance but I do know of several scooter shops that give youba tail light warranty. I don't feel cheated paying a little extra getting it through the dealer I chose.




    Hopefully they take care of you and you get a running riding Scoot when its all said and done. They need to make it right for you and bend over backwards doing so.
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  20. Scooterchick

    Scooterchick And then what?

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    Well, they certainly are not concerned about their reputation.....We are business owners and scramble to get things right with our folks when they go south for any reason.

    BUYER BEWARE...........Find out from your dealer if they will honour their website which says they have great bikes and trained mechanics. Your more likely to get the truth from ANYBODY other than someone who is bias toward the company.
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