Sahara Jacket - perforated Cordura for ultimate warm weather protection

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  1. teizms

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    Thank you for your interest. At this time we are online only.


    Thank you for the support - and for reminding me about the Klim Adv Air. It totally slipped my mind when i was typing the reply. That jacket is also going for a similar approach. But here is the million dollar question for all those inquiring about the Kevlar jacket.... What does the Klim Adv Air (with a kevlar shell) use on the knees, elbows and shoulders?????
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    perhaps you should post there and let every one know about the Teiz sahara :freaky
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  3. levain

    levain STILL Jim Williams

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    Yeah, but those (like the Stadler suit(s), Halvarssons safety, BMG Adventure etc) are designed to integrate into one jacket. It's not really the same thing.

    Teiz, maybe I missed it, but what is return policy on this if it doesn't fit right?
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    That is correct - the Frogg Toggs don't zip onto the jacket like the others. From personal experience I have had to take off the Frogg Toggs separately (especially for the jacket). Even though its not zipped together, you can put them on and take them off as one jacket. May sound low-tech but really based on real-world practical experience. Plus, when i have to wear/takeoff the rain jacket - i don't have to fiddle with zippers. Even if there were zippers, i doubt i would use them. Not having them zipped has never made a difference in the waterproofing or comfort. So for me the "integration" is a bit gimmicky/over-rated but i can understand if anyone feels differently.

    Return policy for Super Saver offer:
    No returns. One size exchange allowed - or upgrade to custom sizing. No exceptions.
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  5. RTinNC

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    OK .. so can I get the intro Super Saver price of $375 and add the $150 for custom sizing? So $525 for custom size super saver?
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    correct :deal
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    levain STILL Jim Williams

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    I think that is perfectly fair, but I have a question. I don't know if I have girly arms or what. I like elbow armor snug, esp. with such small armor as SasTEc, I would want it adjusted so that it does not rotate, but few manufacturers allow this tight of an adjustment (yet another thing Rukka nails). That is a deal breaker for me. It would end up in the FM since it could not be returned. Can I get a measurement of the arm/elbow circumferance to get an idea of whether my girly arms will work in your jacket? Is there a jacket on the market that your fit is modeled after that I might be able to reference?

    Thanks.
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    hey,
    please feel free to email me your measurements of concern and i will look into this. support@teizms.com

    The snaps work quite for holding the armor in place. if you need extemely snug arms, you may have to look into a custom size but as i said - email me and I will look into it.

    the sizing was close to the Rev'it Dragon esp in the upper body.
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    One very important piece of advice - please take a look at the size chart before ordering and talk to us if u have confusion about the size. These sizes run a bit small and you may need a size larger than what you usually wear.. Also, just because you have a size "small" one-piece suit from Teiz, does not necessarily mean that a size Small jacket will work for you.. we would like to send you the right size the first time around..
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    Any chance in putting up the photos of the other colors on your website? I'd like to see what the grey/blue/red looks like before I order.

    Thanks
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  13. teizms

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    the upper body and the color schemes are very similar to the Air Shell. so these pictures will give you a good idea.

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    le me know if these help
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    I like to take my time making buying decisions, but it seems fair to say I'll place an order before the end of the month :).



    (After looking at the custom color page at teizms.com)

    Why do women always get better colors than men?!!

    Anyway - could you help me understand which custom colors would be available for the Sahara, if any? The colors page (http://store.teizms.com/colors) contains a lot of pictures, some of which appear identical.

    Thanks!
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    Thank you very much for answering my questions in detail. Much appreciated.

    From a look at the froggtoggs website, the basic Pro Action set (jacket + pants) is $50. It's under "Work" or "Fishing". The "Motorcycle" section has other models, which indeed seem to mostly have more hi-viz, and stronger materials, but are also more expensive ($80-100 or so). Sounds like the basic $50 model has held up fine for you.
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    Thank you again. Some thoughts below but in essence I agree.

    I am especially glad to hear that you consider the Sahara and Companero as "working to achieve the same functionality". This raises my hopes that I could have similar performance and functionality as the Companero (which I like, having seen it and tried it on in-store) at a price that I can afford - let's say $1000 for your jacket + pants + froggtoggs, rather than $2500 or so for the Companero (cheaper if purchased in Europe, but beyond me in any case).

    It is also encouraging for me that you consider the Sahara no less in quality than the Companero, despite the huge price difference. This becomes more credible when we realize that
    - when you buy the Companero, you sort of buy TWO full outfits, approximately (probably not quite) doubling the price;
    - teiz is probably generally better value per dollar than Stadler/Touratech


    The rainsuit : Part of the selling argument of the Companero is that you buy "3 suits" : 1. the mesh suit (equivalent to the Sahara) ; 2. the mesh suit + goretex shell (alternative to the Sahara + Froggtoggs) ; 3. and the goretex shell by itself. This last option, TT says, can be used for outdoor activities or around town. It is probably much better quality than Froggtoggs, and has some motorcycle features (cinch straps, waterproof pockets in outer jacket), but the question is, as you already said, whether it's worth the expense; and whether it's the right gear for you. E.g. I already own a nice goretex shell for hiking/walking around town that suits me better than the Companero goretex shell, partly because it isn't extra roomy to fit over motorcycle armor (thus providing better fit off-bike and taking up less space in the panniers) and doesn't have all the pockets etc. that look goofy around town.


    Armor : Companero is indeed all Sas-Tec, including level-2 back protector - same as the Sahara. Thanks for pointing out the superfabric, where Sahara > Companero.


    Bulk : from videos I've seen, the Companero goretex jacket itself fits in the back pocket fine, but when you add the goretex pants it does become a bit bulky. Froggtoggs or a standard (non-motorcycling) goretex shell is more compact, which matters to me.


    I don't personally worry as much about how expensive it is to replace/repair damage, as I have very good insurance coverage, but it's still a good point.


    Sounds like the Companero remains an attractive option for those with deep pockets, but the Sahara is a real alternative at a much, much better price.
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  17. Dan Alexander

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    That's it.
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    I just don't get the comparison of this to something like the Stadler suit. The Sahara is no different than any other non waterproof jacket that you add a waterproof outer to. Why not add every other non waterproof jacket to the list comparing it to the Stadler suit?

    What the Stadler suit offers is 100% integration between the two and a package deal. This, in itself is appealing to some, because some despise flapping in the wind (me). Something most bulky, clunky rain suits excel at:lol3 Part of what you're buying is Goretex Proshell and lifetime warranty. The other part is world renowned tailoring and build quality, with a 10year manufacturer warranty. On top of that, the GoreTex outer is 500d cordura, so you get another highly abrasion resistant layer.

    I'm not arguing for one or the other, I just think there is a fair amount of ignorance around what a suit like the Stadler is accomplishing and where it comes from. Touratech put their name on it, but it's a slightly modified EVO Concept, that Stadler has been making for awhile now. It's hardly equal to a non waterproof jacket that you throw an ill fitting cheapo waterproof jacket over. It's just not the same thing.

    I might try out the Sahara, but not because its a worthy option to Stadler. They just aren't the same thing is all.
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  19. Dan Alexander

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    Yes, totally different except for the air circulation and protection which they are both good at..... and the price :D
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    I think a big part of it is how so we perceive things.

    The point of view you have stated makes the "zip on waterproof suit" the major feature/selling-point/accomplishment of the Companero.

    I agree that some riders may view the Companero/Concept with that eye.


    My perspective is this - both are high-quality highly breathable jackets that suggest you wear the waterproof liner on the outside. The way i see it - this is the main feature of the jacket: breathable/perforated/mesh shell that is built from tough materials with top-of-the-line fabric/armor with comfort being an integral part of the design.

    The Companero then also provides the waterproof suit which integrates with the base shell - that is worth an "extra amount" for sure. Now its up to each individual what they think is a justifiable "extra amount" for the integrated liner. Or if the integration is a must-have feature.

    We chose not to provide the rain suit as we think there are some very good options available and feel that the "integration" feature is over-rated.

    In my personal experience, the integration was never a issue. Most of my tours are two up and finding space for 2 Gore-Tex liners would be a pain. I left my cheap rain suits in the unlocked tank panniers because i was not worried about them getting stolen. We were never wet. So our design reflects this experience (with collaboration from a ton of feedback).

    When we sat down to design this jacket - adding a reputable zip-on rain suit was not difficult to "accomplish"! we simply reached the conclusion that the added cost to the CONSUMER would be over-charging without over-delivering. But --- that is our perspective. I can understand if any body has a different view of the matter.

    Also - the way i see it - most definitely not every jacket can be included in the comparison. Only jackets that provide a perforated shell made from "proven" materials (like Cordura, SuperFabric, Sas-Tec) can be included. You will find this list to be extremely small. Within that list - how many are designed for an outer rain suit instead of an internal liner? The already tiny list will be left with less than 3 or 4 names - with the Sahara and Companero being two of them.

    Contrast this with our perspective on the Power Shell one-piece suit when compared to the Roadcrafter. Those two suits are not similar at all - heading in totally opposite direction with their design/tech choices. The RC has built-in waterproofing as an elemental feature whereas the Power Shell does not have waterproofing on the drawing board at all.
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