1. FakeName

    FakeName Wile E Coyote SuperGenius

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    Guys.

    Hey, guys!

    Yes, we all know more gas and more speed is better in the sand. That is not news, nor advanced technique.

    The difficulty is when one must slow down for obstacles, tight turns, deep whoop sections (like the ones I rode in Baja Sunday- no, you don't just "skip over the tops of them" like I would on the small bike).

    I just struggle. Does anyone NOT?
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  2. Nowwhat

    Nowwhat I'll Go Second...

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    RPMs at this point....I just road 350 miles of mojave trail on my 950...342 miles were sand....:lol3....there are miles of curved 2 track that are lined with cholla (high penalty for error)...some turns required dropping down in mph...but that doesn't mean chopping the throttle and diving the nose...downshift keep the rpms up...weight the outside peg and look to your exit point of the turn.....but stay on the gas....:deal
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  3. FakeName

    FakeName Wile E Coyote SuperGenius

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    I know that section- very fun, very fast. Me likey!

    Nobody is suggesting panic, chop throttle, mash brakes. What I'm saying is that it is not always possible to keep the bike at speed and on a plane, like the water ski analogy. There are times when one must suck it up, use the best throttle and clutch control.

    I believe that's where our friend the OP is struggling, and I think it helpful to at least acknowledge we all do, in some way.

    High-speed, open desert (or sweeping, open curves) in deep sand is downright easy. It's the low-speed stuff that is the challenge.
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  4. Nowwhat

    Nowwhat I'll Go Second...

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    don't try to chew gum at the same time and everything will be fine
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  5. FakeName

    FakeName Wile E Coyote SuperGenius

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    DAMN! I keep forgetting!
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  6. Nowwhat

    Nowwhat I'll Go Second...

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    hahahahahaaa.....:lol3
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  7. Lc8grrr

    Lc8grrr Vtwin madness

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    Interesting getting tyre advice from someone who's had three front blowouts and who also started a thread about supergluing a split in a tyre sidewall.. :huh

    I've been running 26psi for 80,000ks so I dont understand why I haven't had a front blowout yet, maybe you can enlighten me please? :ear

    And I guess they put the Excel on the bike below for er um fucked if I know now :dunno
    [​IMG]
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  8. Nowwhat

    Nowwhat I'll Go Second...

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    I am trying to figure out if you are drunk or just not very bright.
    Run low pressure in a bs tire like a TKC and you get blowouts
    Ask me how I know...hence the advice...
    Enlighten you?....doubtful...
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  9. traveltoad

    traveltoad Aaron S

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    Wouldn't bother... let him run 15 psi...
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  10. codys

    codys Lost in the Vizcaino

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    I ran 20psi one time with a tkc. :cry



    I find it funny how easy(ok, easier) sand becomes once you've done it for a bit on the big bike. In fact I looked forward to it in baja to have a break from the damn rocks.

    Little bike compared to big bike is not comparable. Speed, throttle to keep the front end light as possible and staying relaxed as possible works for me. The relaxed thing is the hardest when the beast is wanting to pick it's own route. :lol3
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  11. docgonzo

    docgonzo Old Gadfly

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    I was at the XPLOR event at Lake Placid like Scott. Also did the session in the Pine Barrens with Lewis. He was very clear that with a big dirt bike, regular pressures, around 30 psi, were the best. Avoided rim dings and gave decent control.

    Also, Jimmy Lewis demonstrated that you can control a big dirt bike in soft sand at slow speed, steering with the ankles and letting the bike go where it wants under your feet, almost like snowboarding in deep powder. You don't have to go fast.

    Jimmy has now had 10 years of experience with his 950 Adventure R. Think he knows what he is talking about.

    [​IMG]

    I am myself a relative novice at dirt bikes, but have had my 950 SE since 2006, and have put 30,000 miles on it, mostly in the sand of the Pine Barrens. I've been running 30 psi for most of that time. The one time I ran less in the back (15psi), I got a flat. Spun the rim right off the tire. Now, of course, I have a nice rim lock. Still not a single dent in either of the DID DirtStar rims that the SE comes with.

    With the Jimmy Lewis ankle steering technique and the incredible torque of these big KTMs, you can go as slow as you like, or as fast in the sand.

    Best way to learn how to ride in the sand? Ride in the sand. Once you get it, you will love it. Riding deep sand is the equivalent of deep powder with skis or snowboard. Nothing like it!
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  12. Boatman

    Boatman Membership has it's privileges ;-)

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    Losing the memory old man,,,,, that was Lake George (more specifically, Painted Pony Ranch in Lake Luzerne) :deal
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    docgonzo Old Gadfly

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    Sorry.... Was Lake George! Do you remember the only KTM in a sea of BMW's? I got some dirty looks while there!:evil
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    Boatman Membership has it's privileges ;-)

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    No.
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  15. folknride

    folknride Old Adventurer

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    I've been following this thread because I find sand on my 990 scary. Could you explain the ankle steering technique a bit. I'm trying to visualize, but don't really get it - what do you do with your ankles - angulate like edging a ski (would lean the bike I guess); twist to direct the bike kind of like parallel skiing); none or both of the above? (I don't snowboard, so you're talking to a dummy here :D)

    Thanks
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  16. Zombie025

    Zombie025 Been here awhile

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    Had the chance to test a lot of sand last sunday... 40km riverbed...:clap

    (low quality video due to limited bandwith <iframe src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/8BhHswraQqo" allowfullscreen="" frameborder="0" height="315" width="420"></iframe>
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