SB5897 - D pass improvements for street legal bikes

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  1. tod701

    tod701 Long timer

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    A small victory for dual sport riders and other people that operate street legal vehicles on public land.

    SB5897 (Concerning State Parks) has been passed by both the Senate and House.
    It is now on its way to the Governor’s desk.

    http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary.aspx?bill=5897&year=2013


    In addition to a number of changes to State Parks funding and its public/private partnership it contains some Discover Pass changes.

    One change will impact street legal vehicle operators. A Discover Pass will no longer be required to drive on DNR or WDFW managed roads.

    The sponsor of this bill is Senator Kirk Pearson, a friend and longtime supporter of our sport.
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  2. huzar

    huzar Pastor of Muppets

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    So, no more need for a Discovery Pass to, say, ride the WABDR? :ear
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  3. trippda

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    I think the WABDR is on Fed land not state. So no Discover pass anyways...

    That's good to hear. No pass needed for the H.O. among a few others.
    Thanks:norton

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    If Mr. Inslee signs if of course
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  4. huzar

    huzar Pastor of Muppets

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    There are sections of the WABDR route between Packwood and Ellensburg that were signed as saying that a Discovery Pass is required. Can't speak for the other sections.
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  5. Uller

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    Todd,

    First, thanks for all the work you do.

    Second, I took a look at the bill. I guess I am reading it incorrectly because, to me, it looks like a D pass is still required to operate on State lands

    Sec. 9.
    RCW 79A.80.020 and 2012 c 261 s 2 are each amended to read

    as follows:

    (1) Except as otherwise provided in ((RCW 79A.80.050, 79A.80.060,and 79A.80.070)) this chapter, a discover pass is required for any motor vehicle to:

    (a) Park at any recreation site or lands; or
    (b) Operate on any recreation site or lands.

    And

    Sec. 11.
    RCW 79A.80.080 and 2012 c 261 s 7 are each amended to

    read as follows:

    (1) A discover pass, vehicle access pass, or day-use permit must be

    visibly displayed in the front windshield, or otherwise in a prominent

    location for motor vehicles without a windshield, of any motor vehicle:

    (a) Operating on ((a)) any recreation site or lands; or




    (b) Parking at ((a)) any recreation site or lands.


    Edit: until I got to here (looks like one will be needed if any planned stops occur on state lands though):


    Sec. 3.
    RCW 79A.80.080 and 2012 c 261 s 7 are each amended to read

    (2) The discover pass, the vehicle access pass, or the day-use permit is not required:

    (d) When operating on a road managed by the department of natural resources or the department of fish and wildlife, including a forest or land management road, that is not blocked by a gate.





    Thanks again!!!!​



    Another positive that I saw in the language was for the Family Pass (not sure if this is new or not):

    (5) The discover pass must contain space for two motor vehicle license plate numbers. A discover pass is valid only for those vehicle license plate numbers written on the pass. However, the agencies may offer for sale a family discover pass that is fully transferable among vehicles and does not require the placement of a license plate number on the pass to be valid. The agencies must collectively set a price for the sale of a family discover pass that is no more than fifty dollars. A discover pass is valid only for use with one motor vehicle at any one time.
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  6. tod701

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    The family pass language was added last year, but it is not mandatory to implement so it has not been touched by any of the agencies so far.
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    out freaking standing.. it'll be nice to ride the green dots again without having to worry about getting pulled over and made to give up the pass. There's one county sheriff dude over in the Thorp area that has been targeting folks in the LT Murray
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  8. OffRoadRuler

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    I have read over the documents containted in the link at the start of this thread. Nowhere do I see any language about the Discover Pass versus ORV tags. Am I missing something? I don't think that clears anything up.
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  9. tod701

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    The d-pass versus ORV permit issue is addressed in existing law.
    The d-pass can only be required when a street plate is required.
    The d-pass is required for motor vehicle as defined in RCW79A.80.010(6)

    http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=79A.80.010
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  10. OffRoadRuler

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    I'd be willing to put some money on the fact that DNR will still require a Discover Pass when a plated bike also has ORV tags when riding on DNR land!
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    The DNR cited a truck that was dual registered at Tahuya.

    The truck owner fought the ticket and Mason County Superior County Court threw it out.

    If the DNR wants to go to court and loss again I will gladly let them write me up.
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    As of the end of September 2013 a D-pass will not be required on DNR or WDFW roads.
    reference: SB5897 section 3 (2)(d)


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    (d) When operating on a road managed by the department of natural resources or the department of fish and wildlife, including a forest or land management road, that is not blocked by a gate.
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  13. Rover31

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    Todd
    Thanks for all of your help on this!
    I am still confused though what you posted is great but it contradicts itself see this section

    It does say in Sec 1 a discover pass is required for any motor vehicle to: then section (b) Operate on any recreation site or lands.

    To me that means we need a pass. I am easily confused by the laws we live under. Help me/us out!
    Thanks
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    Section 3 provides some exceptions to the section 1 requirements.
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  15. Rover31

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    I have read it multiple times. Black and white we must have the pass to operate on the Disco land. I don't see any way around it. Not sure now what the issue was and why people are happy. Looks like the changes were clarification to me.
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    Bummer

    If that is the case, Senator Pearson, the legislative committee staff attorneys and myself all got it wrong.

    Is there something that you found that invalidates the exception codified in the changes to RCW79A.80.080(2)(d) pursuant to 2013 Senate Bill SB5897 section 3?
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  17. lamotovita

    lamotovita DAMN SNOWBIRD!

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    DAMN!!!
    I was gonna go ridin tomorrow but my lawyers office is closed so I can't consult him first:deal.
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  18. 81husky

    81husky Been here awhile

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    Geez Tod, Now you're starting to sound like a lawyer.
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  19. Rover31

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    meh never mind I'll just go crawl back into my cave. Sorry to bother you, obviously you have it all taken care of for us simpletons.
    None of us need your condescending garbage, several people have posted that your statement of not needing a pass doesn't make sense. Instead of acting all superior and looking for a pat on the back for all the hard work you did, why don't you post what has been asked for.
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    :huh
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