School me on full size trucks...

Discussion in 'Shiny Things' started by Timmy Tucker, Jan 16, 2013.

  1. Timmy Tucker

    Timmy Tucker So Fresh. Too Def.

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    Gonna have to replace mine before the year's up. I've had a Silverado 1500 for the last 8 years and I've been pretty happy with it, but I'm ready for something different. I will be buying used, my budget is under $20K, and preferably closer to $15K. It will double as my work truck (towing a 5x8 tool trailer daily) and my personal vehicle.

    I'm mostly curious about the Tundra and the Titan. How would they hold up pulling a trailer every day? I should probably mention that I will also be upgrading to a 12' or 14' tandem axle trailer in another year or 2. Also, I usually put between 30K - 40K miles a year on my truck. An even mix of interstate and stop and go traffic.

    Don't know anyone that owns either one of these trucks so I know nothing at all about them. Any issues or common problems to look out for?
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  2. ducnut

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    Having went from a 5'X8' to a 14' tandem V-nose, at work, I would suggest going with a diesel. The tandem pulls so much harder and the fact that size is, usually, taller height. The increase in resistance is massive. When I bought my personal trailer, I went all-aluminum, 7'X12' V-nose (15' overall interior length), and single axle, as I didn't want a tandem.

    The only thing I ever hear about Nissan is poor mileage from the 5.6L. You'd probably be better served to join brand-specific forums and troll around.
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  3. avocadofarmer

    avocadofarmer Fruit Coot

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    Avoid diesel. It does not even come close to paying off.

    New Tundra gets pretty good reviews.
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  4. Tallbastid

    Tallbastid Let's get tropical

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    Researching the same thing, I've read the Titan shits rear differentials. I found enough complaints about them I've decided to stay clear. Heard nothing but good things re 5.7 L tundra.
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  5. dieselpete

    dieselpete Been here awhile

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    Unless you plan on servicing, and repairing the diesel yourself go for the Tundra.

    If you decide on a used diesel select a 5.9 Cummins in the Dodge Ram with a six speed manual transmission. The Dodge part sucks, but the Cummins is the only choice as you keep the trucks a while.
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  6. Timmy Tucker

    Timmy Tucker So Fresh. Too Def.

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    I really want to avoid going w/ a diesel if possible. From what I understand, the maintenance is a lot more $$ and the fuel isn't cheap either. I pull my boss's 6x12 single axle occasionally and it doesn't seem like much more of a load than my 5x8. Does a tandem axle make that much of a difference?
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  7. broncobowsher

    broncobowsher Long timer

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    titan vs. tundra
    titan is known as a gas hog, but not as much as the 5.7 Tundra.
    The first year Titan ate diffs, you can spot them as they have a stamped diff cover. After '05 they got a finned aluminum cover and the offroad model got improvments in the locker starting in '08. Not much changed on the Titan since it was launched in '04, just minor improvments over it's life. Having driven both, the tundra has tons of little nooks and crannys to stuff stuff in. But I HATE the snappy throttle, you cannot be gentle without really working at it. The brakes also have a wierd feel to them I don't like. Avoid the Titan before '07, the brakes sucked as well, after '08 they got a lot bigger and a lot better.

    With your choices, '08 and newer Titan is what I would pick. Maybe the small engine tundra but not the 5.7 engine.
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  8. ducnut

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    I was suggesting the diesel for performance and not payoff.

    The maintenance is more, but, less frequent.

    Driven with discipline, the diesel will get you much better fuel mileage, than a gasser, while towing. Empty, my Silverado/5.3L/auto/3.73 gets ~20hwy/~14city. Towing, that drops to 10-12, depending on the wind.

    The drivetrain is much heavier, in a HD pickup. Therefore, you'll get much longer service life out of everything (brakes, tires, suspension, rearend, etc). My truck has oversize rotors and I'm on my second set, because of warping.

    You should find a dealer who has comparable sized trailers in single and tandem axle, to compare pulling.
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  9. ducnut

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    Or, a completely stock Superduty 4X4 with a 7.3L Powerstroke and service records.
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  10. rocker59

    rocker59 diplomatico di moto

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    Or, an F250 Superduty 4x4 with the 5.4 V8.
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  11. sloMark

    sloMark Been here awhile

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    2011 Tundra crewmax with the 5.7...........it hauls ass and it eats gas, so be it....:1drink



    It's my 4th Toyota pick up, first full size. I had an 87' , a 2002, and a 2006. I like it. My one complaint would be the the body, the actual metal parts. Seems the bed side metal is super thin, dents easy. The "bumpers" - my 3 yr old bent my rear bumper when he ran into my truck parked in the driveway with his Power Wheels Jeep :huh, kinda pissed me off. I mean really it's not the bumper he bent but the silly bumper cover everything has now. Mechanically it feels strong, tight....


    Got a buddy who sings the praises of his Ecoboost F150. He traded his diesel Ford on it, he likes it a lot, he tows skid steers and shit like that with it. Curious to see the long term deal with the Ecoboost's super hi Rpm twin turbos....


    SloWife has a 2006 v8 (smaller one) 4runner, just turned 100k miles, great motor, great car so far.


    Ford Atlas!!! There ya go!
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  12. gonerydin

    gonerydin Been here awhile

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    I've had my '02 Tundra 4.7 4x4 for 10 years now. It has been the most reliable, trouble free piece of equipment I have ever owned. The only part that has ever broken on this truck is the heater control knob ($7). Hell, it even still has the original battery. It pulled my 22' Jayco with ease.
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  13. tkitna

    tkitna Long timer

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    You've had better luck then me then. I have a 2003 that's starting to turn me away from Toyota. Its an extended cab TRD, 4X4 with the 4.7. That truck has the worst brakes of any vehicle I have ever driven. Seriously. I've gotten used to the double pump action, but i'm afraid to have other people drive it.The sliders freeze in the front calibers and you have to clean and grease them constantly. I just had $2500 worth of brake work done (new everything) and its no better. The rear drum brakes are a joke too. I've mentioned the master cylinder several times and had several different people drive and wok on the truck and it never seems to get changed for some reason. Who knows. I'll keep driving it, but would never tow anything with it.

    Besides the crappy brakes, i've had more o2 sensors changed then I think the truck could possibly have, the entire underneath is rusting away, ball joints, sway bar end links broke, the window regulators need greased all the time, worst radio in any stock vehicle i've ever owned, the hood latch just broke and got replaced, and besides all that crap, its going to need the timing belt replaced in the next 4000 miles. Who in the fuck puts timing belts in V8's for cripes sake. That'll be another $1000+ that I dont really want to spend. I havent gotten the rear cross member rust recall done yet either.

    The sad thing is that as pissed off as I am with this truck, i'd still probably buy a new Tundra. The issues I have seem minor to what my brothers and friends have had with the other brands. Like I said before, I wish Honda would make a full size pickup. If they did, thats what I would own.
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  14. Tripped1

    Tripped1 Likely Lost.

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    Are you referencing engine RPM or Turbo RPM, all turbos spin fast that is how they work. The Ecoboost isn't particularly a high-rpm engine it produces power very similarly to a Hemi.

    Check it here. http://www.edmunds.com/car-reviews/track-tests/2011-ford-f-150-ecoboost-dyno-tested.html

    I had a 300ZX TT that I dogged the SHIT out of for 125,000 miles when I sold it. I never had any other issues than burning up tires and beating up suspension parts. I only really ever had it tuned a bit, it was all stock in the drivetrain.
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  15. leakypetcock

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    I have an '07 Titan Crew Cab. Best truck I've ever owned, worst gas mileage since my '68 Oldsmobile Toronado. Huge interior, simple controls and an engine that puts out plenty of power. I haven't had any problems but I don't know if I'd trust that transmission to tow a lot of weight every day.
    Great truck and if you're buying used like I did you get a lot of truck for the money.
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  16. cobrat

    cobrat Been here awhile

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    Before I bought my new F250, I was shopping the used SD market and found several very nice examples of the '06 and '07 vintage that were in your price range. The 5.4 gas engines are solid, the transmissions also. Not particularly powerful, but get the job done.
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  17. Gummee!

    Gummee! That's MR. Toothless

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    That mythical beast?! Good luck!

    I'll second the diesel recommendation. There's something to be said for having more truck than you need. Actually, there's lots of things to be said for having more truck than you need. Bigger brakes, stouter running gear, etc etc etc.

    On road trips, I'd get 20-22 in my PSD if I kept my foot out of it. 14-17 around town. My truck had 4.11s in the back and was geared to tow at 55mph. Anything over 62-65 and it wasn't happy any more. :nah Towing the ex's Camaro with a GS-Adv (and packed with all our worldly possessions) in the bed I'd get 10-12 at 65mph with the cruising control set.

    Last time I went XC it was in a gasser 2500 Chevy. At 75-80 the dash display said 11-12 with a dirt bike in the bed. :eek1

    I wish they'd make a diesel 1/2ton. ...sadly, I don't see that happening any time soon. :nah

    Good luck!

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  18. Yooper_Bob

    Yooper_Bob Long timer

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    I have a 16' enclosed v-nose tadem axle snowmobile trailer that I pulled with my 2004 GMC 2500HD 4X4 Crewcab (gas) for the past 8 years.

    Just got a new (to me) 2011 Tundra Crewmax 4X4 with the 5.7.

    The Tundra blows away the crappy GMC away when it comes to towing my trailer. The Tundra has way more power/torque than the GMC ever had. Pulls the trailer with ease...plus, the Tundra's 6 speed transmission is much better at keeping the engine in the "sweet spot".

    The GMC was constantly shifting, and would rev up to redline trying to make some of the hills I regularly drive...the Tundra pulls the trailer up the same hills with much less changing of gears, and with much more ease.

    My vote would be get the Tundra!
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  19. Grreatdog

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    Our Titan 4x4 crew cab is definitely a gas hog. It hasn't been bad on reliability. It has been to the shop a few times but never anything major. Mostly cooling system issues. But the damned thing uses more gas than our E-350 van. It mostly sits in the parking lot because it costs so much to run.

    By far our 08 and 09 F-150's have been the best trucks in our lot. Both are in commercial service five days a week hauling three guys and about a 1000 pounds of gear. Neither truck has ever had a single issue. Not one. So far nothing but routine maintenance and one headlight bulb.

    Our next full size work truck will be another F-150. I don't even see the point in the Eco-boost much less diesel unless your trailer is crazy heavy. The small V8's in our F-150's get the job done with no fuss. Granted they aren't heavily loaded in daily use. But they pull my 4000 pound boat like it isn't even back there.

    For the company, Toyotas are not a consideration due to price. We can pick up nice white commercial F-150's for way, way less money than a Tundra. No matter how good they are we just aren't paying that premium. As for myself...... two 4Runners and a 4x4 pickup.
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  20. Mr. Magoo

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    I have an 08 Ford F250 SuperDuty 4WD with the 6.4 diesel. It's used exclusively to pull a 30' heavy gooseneck trailer. It's been a good truck and pulls well. I did buy a factory extended warranty as the repair cost, if need, are very high.
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