Scorpion EXO-900 Transformer

Discussion in 'Equipment' started by Freightdawg, Oct 24, 2010.

  1. Freightdawg

    Freightdawg Adventurer

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    Last year I purchased a Scorpion Transformer helmet prior to my first attempt at a SaddleSore 1000. Now, I would never do anything as stupid as to go on a trip like that with new equipment without testing it during some local riding. Unfortunately, that riding took the form of commuting to and from work, a ride of just under half an hour.

    When I embarked on my trip out west, after just under an hour of riding I started getting the worst headache and it was from the helmet's liner. There is piping sewn into the liner that forms a shallow 'V' across the forehead.

    Last week I contacted the company and here's the exchange:

    Sir,

    We apologize for the branding, we at this time only make the one type
    for the EXO-900.

    Thank you.

    Glen West
    ScorpionUSA.com
    949-768-5517


    -----Original Message-----
    From: Jeffrey
    Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 2:39 PM
    To: Glen West
    Subject: Consumer inquiry from scorpionusa.com

    I own an EXO-900 TransFormer and have been extremely pleased with the
    features, especially having both a clear and tinted visor available all
    the time. It's great being able to go to work when it's sunny and come
    home when it's dark (or vice versa) without having to change visors.

    I have one complaint, however. After about 30-45 minutes of riding, I
    start to experience discomfort caused by the liner. There is piping
    sewn into the liner about halfway between the crown and the bottom edge.
    It comes to a shallow "V" on my forehead and causes a pressure point
    there. When I commute to work, I'm not wearing the helmet long enough
    to cause discomfort, but I'm "branded" with a "V" on my forehead when I
    get to work.

    Is there any chance you make a smoother liner that fits the 900?

    Thanks.


    I tried cutting out the piping and took a test ride today of 80+ miles. About 45 minutes into it all I could think about was getting home and getting that torture device off my head.

    First of all, I hope this will serve as a warning to anyone considering purchasing this helmet.

    Secondly, does anyone have any suggestions for making this helmet more comfortable? I really don't want to drop the coin on a new lid right now. Plus I don't have any long trips planned until next year. Just trips back and forth to work for now.

    Thanks!

    Jeff
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  2. ph0rk

    ph0rk Doesn't Care

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    I think this sounds more like an inadequately tested or broken in helmet - I know that I can't really tell about a helmet until i've worn it for over an hour many times over the course of a month. Sucks that you can't really evaluate it before a permanent purchase - maybe an extra coolmax helmet liner might help?
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  3. vtbob

    vtbob wanderer

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    I'm sorry to hear that you have a problem.

    Motorcycle consumer news gave the Scorpion high marks...especially for ventalation. I was / am considering buying one.

    Your comments make me wonder if i should.

    Anyone else out there have comment on the Scorpion?

    My head is round and suit Nolans vs some other. I don't have a dealer around here who handles them...likely should wait till Americade to test one
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  4. fast4d

    fast4d Long timer

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    don't blame the helmet because it didn't fit your head.


    I had a shoei that gave me headaches after an hour because it didn't fit the shape of my head. tried a arai profile and now I can ride 12 hours without issues. I do not think any less of shoei's quality. it's just made for a different shaped head.
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  5. swingset

    swingset Got the knack.

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    Reading is fundamental, the fit wasn't what bothered him, it was piping that stuck out and hurt his head.

    Stick a rock in your well-fitting helmet and see if it doesn't hurt. That's beyond "fit".
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  6. HaChayalBoded

    HaChayalBoded Brooklyn Bored

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    Maybe he just has a frankenstein type forehead?

    Everyones head is shaped differently, plain and simple, the guy did not try out his helmet long enough. Had he, he would have noticed the discomfort and sent it back instead of trying to ride 1000 miles with it.
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  7. BushWacker Rob

    BushWacker Rob BushWacker

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    I've worn several helmets and for my long narrow head, a Shark helmet fits the best for my head shape. I have used my wife's Ped Egg to contour the inside of 2 helmets...with a much improved fit, but I still find my Shark the most comfortable. Head shape is very important when buying a helmet.
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  8. fast4d

    fast4d Long timer

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    Piping can't give you a headache. Bad fitting helmet can
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  9. tzane

    tzane n00b

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    I was able to try out a Scorpion 900 last year. I was so excited because of all the advantages. i own a 3/4 scorpion and it is very comfortable. The 900 however after a weekend of just putting around gave me a terrible headache. my problem was something was pushing on my cheek bone. It must have put pressure on a sweet little nerve OUCH! I was lucky my motorcycle shop even ordered me the next size up and S to a M lining. It still didnt work so they refunded my money. I really to this day loved the helmet but it was impossible concentrate on the road with the dull hurt it caused. I understand your pain freightdawg. I was also wandering if anyone else had any issues with this helmet. I also like the scorpion people that i have worked with! they bent over backwards for me!
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  10. Lee Keller King

    Lee Keller King Adventurer Wannabe

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    A good reason to buy from Cycle Gear with its 7-day return policy on helmets.

    Lee

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  11. davidji

    davidji bike curious

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    Yup. Twice I've bought helmets that seemed OK in the store, but obviously hit pressure points when I tried them at home. I bought one in the Motostrano store, and they exchanged it no problem, and spent a lot of time getting me a good fit on the next lid. Cycle Gear is closer though, and that 7-day return policy is awfully nice.
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  12. 2wheeldeb

    2wheeldeb Adventurer

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    love the fit of my scorpion transformer and the fog proof shield as well as the internal sun visor. Negative though is that about one year ago the face shield leaked they have claimed to fix that with newer helmets. No way to know that until in a heavy rain or snow shower so didn't discover until about 1000 miles on helmet. My riding partner had the same problem so wasn't a just me issue.
    In all fairness scorpion seems to have found a fix for the rubber seal but took a lot of emails and $30 in shipping.
    My other problem is a small ear box so tough to get any earphones in without ear rub at base.
    but love it overall including the neon yellow fit is similar to my arai for a round head.

    deb
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  13. davidji

    davidji bike curious

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    I've shower-tested outdoor gear so I'll have an idea how it will perform in the rain. For moto gear, it isn't quite the same thing, since the shower doesn't have a wind tunnel. Still it might be informative with untested-in-the-rain stuff. Or even older stuff that might need a Nikwax treatment. Anyway, sometimes there is a way to know, before you're caught in the rain.

    As far as rubber seals, that might be really easy to fix at home. Apply grease to one side (in this case, the visor), and RTV silicone to the other (the rubber gasket). Close the visor, and let the RTV set.
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  14. 2wheeldeb

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    my riding buddy just got hers back and tested it with the kitchen sprayer and seems to work. on the 8k trip we took we used painter tape with some help. was an annoying stream down the middle inside of the visor. thanks for info on silicone and grease.
    deb

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  15. davidji

    davidji bike curious

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    Looks good on you!
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  16. 2wheeldeb

    2wheeldeb Adventurer

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    thanks but that's my riding partner susie. We have the same helmets and makes it easier to see each other. visibility has definitely saved our posteriors a few times.
    deb
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  17. Twinz

    Twinz Been here awhile

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    Sadly, I have an EXO 900 with fitting problems, too. In my case it's the ears...the liner applies pressure to the ear, and I can only ride for an hour with this helmet before I have to take it off. I wear size medium helmets and have swapped the EXO liners for size large...still have ear pain. I have pulled the liners and compressed the ear pockets to make more room...marginal difference. I think I need to change the shape of the liner around the ears...cut some material off and resew. I love the helmet but may not be able to take it on trips. It is broken in at this point, and the fit is otherwise good.
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  18. JimVonBaden

    JimVonBaden "Cool" Aid!

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    I've got about 10K miles on my EXO-900 helmet. It has been, by far, the best helmet I ever owned, and I have owned many. Sheuberth SC1, Nolan N100, Caberg Justisimo, HJC Modular, and a couple more I can't remember.

    I have a medium sized head, and all of these helmets fit fine. I also have no hair, so liner comfort is critical. The Caberg needed a slight adjustment in the earbox, I have big lobes, and the Nolan needed a slight spooning to the forhead. I have a very round head, so not all helmets work.

    Being bald, one ould think the piping would be a problem, but for me it is not. My first day on the EXO-900 was a 600 mile ride back from the MOA Rally in Johnson City. No pain at all. I did have my Caberg on the seat behind me just in case, which is what I would recommend to anyone riding distance with a new helmet.

    IMHO all helmets are not the same. I can't wear an Arai, the shape is all wrong.

    Jim :brow
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  19. rxcoop

    rxcoop persnickety curmedgeon

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    bought one of these at hermys this past saturday....after a couple of 1 hr rides (and walking around the showroom with the helmet on) i think this is one of the MOST comfortable helmets ever out of the starting gate. love the pump, ventilation, and esp the HI-VIZ color. goes well with my gray roadcrafter with the hi-vis ballistics.

    have the same barber as JVB and i wear a sweatvac liner all the time. with the pump, should be able to adjust for summer or winter weight lines.

    have a shoei-shaped head but could never justify the cost of a multitec and have worn nolans (101, 101e, 102, and now 103) and this helmet feels more comfortable, and lighter too.

    sorry the OP had problems but i sure have none....YMMV. :D
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  20. swingset

    swingset Got the knack.

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    :huh

    Uh, no. A perfect fitting helmet with piping in the wrong place can cause discomfort.

    I can't believe I need to explain this, it's so utterly completely self-evident.
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