Scottoiler...

Discussion in 'Crazy-Awesome almost Dakar racers (950/990cc)' started by Capt.saveaho, Apr 24, 2013.

  1. Capt.saveaho

    Capt.saveaho Been here awhile

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    Who's got it and what do you think? For those who know of it I'm doing the Utah 1088 with my dad and chain oil is going to be needed.

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  2. LC8rider

    LC8rider Been here awhile

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    I have the touring kit fitted behind the plate. I'm on my first change of chain & sprockets from new and I reckon I've another 5000m left in them yet. Bike has done 40,000m. And no, I don't ride like a pu$$y :wink:
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  3. uk_mouse

    uk_mouse Aquatic adventurer

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    I fitted one under the seat. Keeps it nice and clean but it gets a bit hot in there and the oil tends to come out too quickly. I use EP90 gear oil in it which is a bit thicker (and cheaper!) but really I should get round to mounting the Scottoiler in a better location.

    Soon someone will be along to tell us you don't need to oil an O ring chain :evil
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  4. Roeligan

    Roeligan Belgium power!!!

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    correct, you don't...
    BUT:
    chainlife is extended if you keep it clean, and that is exactly what the scottoiler does (maybe a little less with thick oil): it washes the dirt of and makes sure corrosion stays away longer AND: keeps the o-rings from drying out & destroying themselves...
    And that prolongues chain life ;)

    I've mounted mine like this: (not a scottoiler, nor my picture, but same location)
    [​IMG]
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  5. Unruled

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    I have the Tutoro auto-oiler, even less hassle, cheaper and it works a treat. After you've found a sweet setting, that is, I drained an entire reservoir in the first 30 miles using factory recommendations. I guess they don't factor in off-road use, it being kinetically activated and such...
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  6. gefr

    gefr Life is a trip

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    http://ptlube.co.uk/motorcycle-chain-oiler/

    After two sets of scotoiler, I found them distorting in high temperatures. Scotoiler need to run "cool". Away from exausts and motor. The tools compartment isn't cool enough. Cheers.
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  7. stevodadevo

    stevodadevo What happened?

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    Oiling your chain?! pfffff
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  8. gefr

    gefr Life is a trip

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    ..:d
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  9. Capt.saveaho

    Capt.saveaho Been here awhile

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    I'm going to take a look at them, I'm going to average about 1100 miles a day do it won't get much rest.
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  10. Kikemon

    Kikemon Poseur

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    I had the Scott electronic (pump) oiler - "e system" or some such after going through two of the gravity fed types. I never could get any of them to work too well. The gravity fed ones seemed to either dump too much oil or none at all and the e-system kept resetting itself and basically turning itself off. I would think that for a long road trip a gravity fed one would work once you got it dialed in. It seems like the settings you would need on a long day of touring are very different than what you would need for commuting or around town riding. I don't have one now because I am fed up with trying to get them to work, but I still like the concept. It is just that the execution is lacking. They can put a man on the moon...
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  11. The Griz

    The Griz Long timer

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    You've said from experience what I've always thought about the Scottoiler. I am in the camp that believes an O or X ring chain doesn't need lube. However, I do spray this on from time to time:

    [​IMG]
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  12. Just Paul

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    I run the oiler I like it but its messy

    Extends my chains life by double
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  13. JanB

    JanB Been here awhile

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    I kept the oil-lines short and the oiler within easy access... its a little messy, though... but thats the point of it. Washing away the dirt.

    [​IMG]
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  14. Gimme 2

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    Why not have a push button on the handle bar, pisst your good for 200 ks.

    I have been using wd 40 for about 6 years , it helps degrease the chain before you wash then spray the chain off with a hose , then straight away drown it in wd 40 . i'll use Chain lube for long distance dusty stints over 300 k and pre extreme mud racing, it creates a thick sticky barrrier which seems to help keep sand out better. its good stuff but not nessesary Its messy and expensive. A clean and well lubed chain is a beautiful thing.
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  15. The Griz

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    Not to take this thread to that place but these two suggestions are a huge no-no with sealed o or x ring chains.

    Firstly, WD40 is a penetrant and degreaser, with minimal lubricating properties. It penetrates PAST the rubber sealing rings and clears out the grease that the chain manufacturer put in there. Once the WD40 clears out that grease in behind the sealing rings it is impossible to replace it. It pretty much turns your o or x ring chain into an unlubricated chain. So, WD40, not recommended. I know, I know, 'you've been using it for years and haven't seen any problems with it'. That is an honest response. However, the damage WD40 does is not visible to the naked eye. It exists behind the rubber o or x type sealing rings.

    Secondly, spraying the chain with water is never necessary or recommended when cleaning an o or x ring chain. The main reason is that the water, if pressurized, can blow past the rubber sealing rings and get in where the grease is sealed in by the manufacturer. This will cause rust, corrosion, and break down of the grease that the chain manufacturer put in there. Secondly, water will make the chain rust in no time. Water to clean chain? No.

    Sorry, dude, but I couldn't let this one go unnoticed. :D
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  16. The Griz

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  17. Capt.saveaho

    Capt.saveaho Been here awhile

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    All valid points but I have a hard time believing that the O rings last as long as the chain can. In a perfect world where I'm baller rich yeah the O ring chain doesn't need anything other then a good scrub to get rid of dirt. I just don't see how rubber lasts as long abrasion wise as steal.

    I'm always willing to be schooled, I'm young and ignant. Hahahaha :rofl
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  18. The Griz

    The Griz Long timer

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    You make an interesting point too though, about how long the o or x rings wil last compared to the chain. That'd be something I'd like to know.

    Anyway, I was just stating what I know. Hope I didn't offend!:D
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  19. gefr

    gefr Life is a trip

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    I believe it is obvious the orings keep the chain joints lubed. The chain itself carries the engine power through its steel parts. Different tasks, different materials. If the orings fail, the joints corrode and stick. I do not see the reason for comparing the longevity of the two parts of the chain :huh
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  20. The Griz

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    The o rings do not provide the lubrication for the chain. Your misunderstanding of that is why it confuses you. The o ring is the seal that hold the grease in and keep the crud out. Here is a pic that explains:

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    You can see in the diagram how the o ring's sole responsibility is to keep the lube in, and grime out.

    Though the o rings, lube, and actual metal parts of the chain serve different individual purposes, they work in unison in order to make the chain work properly. As an example: o ring fails, lube goes away, chain wears faster. This is why failing o rings will effect the life of the chain.
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