Seattle riders, a call for voices...

Discussion in 'Pacific Northwet - Where it's green. And wet.' started by dunters, Oct 22, 2013.

  1. dunters

    dunters Dunters

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    Hola,

    I recently met with the personal assistant to Mayor McGinn and brought up the need for free parking for motorcycles in Seattle as well as the BS fact we pay the same price in tolls as cars. The response was that is was a great idea but the issue has never come up, and without any voices it's tough to get anything rolling. He said even as little as 20-30 emails would be enough to get the conversations rolling. We can do better than 20-30 peoples.

    I just wrote this email to McGinn's office tonight (see below). Feel free to copy and paste with personal changes and send it his way or just send your own. mike.mcginn@seattle.gov.
    We also need to hit up the city council (I'll be writting up an email tomorrow) http://www.seattle.gov/customerservice/request.htm ,*
    and Dow Constantine (king county executive) http://info.kingcounty.gov/about/contact/default.aspx*
    and Reema Grifith GriffiR@wstc.wa.gov (executive director Wa State transportation committee).
    The more voices the better...



    "Dear Mr. Mayor,

    During the primary races, I heard you, Bruce Harrell, and Peter Steinbrueck all talk about the need to increase incentives for alternate forms of transportation such as car2go and zip cars to help alleviate congestion and pollution. In tonight's debate with Senator Murray, you also talked about your passion for the environment, from which I'm very grateful for all the work you've done towards the Seattle bicycle community in the last four years. May I suggest also giving some of those same incentives towards single occupancy vehicles such as motorcycles, mopeds, scooters, 3-wheel electrical cars, etc... They are much more environmentally friendly than even smart cars, and create a lot less congestion than almost any other vehicle, which can be seen in motorcycle/scooter friendly cities all over the world.

    Currently my 400lbs, 65mpg, 2 wheel, 2" wide tire motorcycle pays the same tolls on 520 and the narrows bridge as a 6,000lbs suburban with studded tires. I realize this is a state, not city issue, and I have brought it up with Reema Grifith (with only the response of "we need the money"), but feel it's worth bringing up as an example for the city of Seattle as well. I've travelled in many parts of the world and I've never seen a toll, in any other city, state, or country where motorcycles pay the same price as cars. And I bring this up because is this something we should expect to see applied to bicycles as well when the tunnel is opened with a bicycle lane or the new 520 bridge is built?

    As far as a city issue, Car2go get to park almost anywhere for free where as motorcycles and scooters pay the same parking fees at cars, despite taking up only a fraction of the space and disrupting traffic far less when they do park. Giving parking incentives to single occupancy vehicles would be a great way to champion your push for finding new incentives for alternative forms of transportation and give people incentives to ride more, help alleviate the city's congestion, and cut down on emissions, like you've been doing with bicycles and cyclists.

    Thank you in advance.


    Sincerely

    -Duncan Smith
    http://duncanasmith.c...*
    206.355.9389"
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  2. Rover31

    Rover31 Jedi

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    Pretty good idea hope it works for you, will try to do my part as an east sided.
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  3. HH

    HH Hurricane Harry

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    hope it works. I will e-mail my boss right now
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  4. causef0rconcern

    causef0rconcern Rift Explorer

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    I'm all about this. Although it at any time between 6am and 9pm, it's still faster to peddle between neighborhoods...any hope for lane splitting in WA?

    I'll play my part and send some emails, and make sure my moto friends are encouraged to as well. Thanks for the catalyst.
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  5. Ladukebob

    Ladukebob lost in hood river

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    Hood River as an example has free parking for motorcycles.
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  6. seaklx

    seaklx Adventurer

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    Email sent,
    As a guy with 12+ years of experience working downtown I've been watching the "free" motorcycle spots disappear at a quickening rate with all of the new development.
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  7. WeeMcD

    WeeMcD V-Strom explorer

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    I'm on board for this. Email sent.
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  8. HH

    HH Hurricane Harry

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    and I know where you park :evil
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  9. smalltownSarah

    smalltownSarah n00b

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    I wrote mine a little differently, but did my part. Thanks for the impetus.

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  10. kaptenken

    kaptenken Been here awhile

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    What exactly is "Lane Splitting?", sorry for the ignorance but I'm a woods guy
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  11. Watercat

    Watercat . . . gravity sucks

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    Hello Duncan,

    Uhhhhhhhhm, in case you haven't noticed in the last 3&1/2years . . . . . . The current mayor and his administration really isn't interested in providing any parking benefits/incentives for motos; I sent that slime an email requesting moto-parking at the stadiums . . . . . response - nil.

    This nut-job has been spending millions on bicycle lane signage, striping, re-laning . . . . . .. Which I'm not totally opposed to, but in the meantime the pavement has gone to rubble . . . . . .

    I mean really, how many hard-core pedal cyclists are commuting during the winter storms & freezing weather ?

    I live on one of the designated bicycle trails, and I can tell you not many.

    I'll be voting for the other guy, uhhhhm interesting choices we have here . . . . . . :huh:eek1:huh:1drink:eek1:D:freaky



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  12. andykeck

    andykeck Been here awhile

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    Just for the record, the Car2Go cars don't park free. They pay their parking in advance as a yearly lump sum fee.
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  13. habanero

    habanero Multistradler & LC4player

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    Hopefully we'll have a new mayor soon, someone that can hold more than one thought in his head. I can't believe how much money has been spent to make traffic worse for 98% of the population.

    note-When you pay to park a moto in this town, make sure you take a photo of the receipt/ticket when you stick it on your headlight, as some one can just peel it off to put on, or in, their vehicle. It's happened to me, so I always snap a photo with my phone...
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  14. shrubitup

    shrubitup Uncouth Sloth

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    Couple questions on your letter:

    1. How would incentivizing SOVs achieve items in this sentence?
    2. What's the difference between bicycles and cyclists? Aren't they the same?
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  15. dunters

    dunters Dunters

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    I hear you. I recently (2 weeks ago) got a $56 parking ticket at the stadium which which was complete BS. I have photos and no judge on earth wouldn't overturn the ticket. The problem, like the previous 4 BS parking tickets I've received in Seattle, is whether or not I can make the appeal. I'm self employed and taking two hours out of a week day means turning down a full day of work.
    As for the mayoral candidates, yeah, total disappointment who ended up in the finals. Harrell had my vote in the primaries ('cos I talked to him in person about the motorcycle issue and he seemed very responsive, so hit him hard too 'cos he's staying in the city council) and Steinbrueck was my second choice.
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  16. dunters

    dunters Dunters

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    Yeah, poorly written for sure. Oops. I was pretty emotional after the debates when I sent it in.
    Still hit 'em hard! I followed the mayoral primaries very closely, attending 3 open forums, 1 debate, and 3 "meet the candidate" fundraisers. All of the candidates spent a lot of time talking about giving incentives for alternative forms of transportation and looking for new ones. Stump speeches for sure but let's keep them to their word. We might not as flashy as car2go and zip cars but we're far more environmentally friendly and create a lot less congestion than either.

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  17. TexanInSeattle

    TexanInSeattle Been here awhile

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    So, DON'T come downtown....contest the ticket and explain yourself via mail or even online.
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  18. ObiJohn

    ObiJohn Screaming Banshee

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    I think we're fooling ourselves if we think the people running Seattle and the King County Metro Council give a fig about motorcycles. The anti-car types hate us as the incorrigible oil consumers and noise polluters, the anti-bicycle types hate us because we occupy their space and get HOV privileges, can park where they can't, and generally seem to enjoy ourselves way too much... and we're also incorrigible free thinkers and rule breakers.

    In short, most of 'em on both sides are authoritarian anti-freedom types, and our sort must be rehabilitated, or else eliminated.

    BTW, Seattle is what happens when enough people flee the economic hellholes of the authoritarian states... and then put the same policies in effect that caused them to flee in the first place. 'As the dog returns to its vomit...' etc.
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  19. 81forest

    81forest ADDRider

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    Yeah, well... it's also a beautiful place to live that a lot of us call home. I've been riding a motorcycle in downtown Seattle for many years, never been hated by anybody that I'm aware of.

    Guess I'll just go crawl back into my own puddle of puke then. :wink:
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  20. rickyc4

    rickyc4 FF Rancher

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    Pacific Place 5$, that's what I do
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