Seattle to Argentina on a KLR650

Discussion in 'Epic Rides' started by OZYMANDIAS, May 7, 2006.

  1. The Dude

    The Dude Just Love To Ride

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    I quit reading this long ago. I was a friend of Clayton's and he spoke with my wife and I many times about many things :nortonincluding ending his life. I have never once commented on anything, the book or the post but nobody has figured out Clayton more than Vaken he has it the nail on the head the insight in your comments are remarkable and yes Frankfurt philosophy assured an unhappy ending.
  2. ManiZ

    ManiZ Been here awhile

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    Thank you, I needed to hear that. I have thought about Clayton's story frequently since finding about it yesterday; even woke up in the middle of the night with my thoughts in a turmoil. I had taken today off from work to go on an all-day ride but couldn't bring myself to do it. I never ride if my head isn't clear so this was certainly not going to be the day for it. Not sure if tomorrow will be. I'll see.

    VAKen, thank you for sharing your thoughts with us all. I found them very reassuring; I think all ADVers reading this thread will benefit from them greatly.
  3. GSF1200S

    GSF1200S Been here awhile

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    I get that he was a bit zealous about "adventure" in a romanticized manner, but I think many of us venture into a trip without being completely prepared. A common mantra in this forum is taking controlled risks. Before you jump on the "controlled" part, let me explain:

    He had a prepared bike, and lets not kid ourselves by feeling that he had delusions of grandeur in terms of where he was going. His biggest mistake was simply not stopping and being in a hurry (at that moment). I think I can safely say every one of us has been guilty of that mistake in one way or another (not necessarily with a donkey or animals). We just never got bit by chance. On all accounts, had that one incident of not happened, wed very likely all be oooooing and awwwwwing over his ride report instead of lamenting his death and struggle.

    To think otherwise, or to blame this on his perspective or character alone I think is to muddle the reality that we too are capable of such a wreck.

    In terms of ending his life, I cannot talk with certainty. I understood how he felt about it (considering I never met him at least), but of course I think such a decision depends entirely on the type of life a person has. Would you want to live without your arms? Without your legs? Blind? Deaf? Blind and deaf? Deaf, blind, without arms, and without legs? I understand that may be far worse (even Clayton talked about quads having it worse than him), but at what point do you draw the line? Maybe your line is different than his, but that doesnt make his choice wrong.

    Ultimately, human beings exist for three reasons (im not talking about WHY we were initially created/evolved/whatever): 1) to strive for personal happiness 2) to strive for the happiness of others (to help the human race survive in the natural world whether by taking out the old ladys trash or creating a new cure for some disease, help your kid with their homework, etc), and 3) to carry on our genes if we are successful in living (determined implicitly by the choices of others). If we can have none of them, we experience depression (or even lacking one can lead to depression). Depression is not a disease but a perspective. If Clayton could not find 1 or 2 in a way he was HAPPY with, then why is it so inherently wrong what he chose to do? Of course it is horrible to us since he was a good person, but it is not for us to really fathom as a feeling since none of us have ever felt it.

    Please dont take this as some advocation for suicide; the situation was a tragedy, but to pass it off as the result of nothing more than a flawed perspective I respectfully believe is unfair and avoids an issue that everyone should consider (described above). To the friend I quoted: I dont mean to offend you nor disrespect your friend or you- i am merely stating my view on matters.
  4. pboulianne09

    pboulianne09 Adventurer

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    Mostly read the threads when I'm having lunch and just read this one for the first time and had to fight back the tears. In the last five years I've hit a moose and three deers (in a four wheeled vehicle) and have had lots of close calls on my bike. My wife and I try to be as careful as possible but living where we are it seems like it's just a matter of time. Just over a year ago a friend I work with hit one dead on during the third day of his and his wifes frirst ever trip together. She only received some minor bruises and scratches but he was hospitalized for a few months and almost didn't make it. Needless to say he's forbidden from even looking at a motorcycle again. Be careful, wear your gear and always scan the ditches.
  5. Earendil

    Earendil Anywhere Outside

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    I came upon this thread some time ago, but skipped over it after reading a few pages.... distracted by some other epic ride reports..... and for some reason stumbled on it again today. This time however, I went to the last page directly, to see where or what Clayton was up to and then go back through the entire thread to catch up. Little could have prepared me much less imagined, the story that unfolded before me..... profoundly shocked doesn't adaquately describe my impression.
    As many have so well stated, the triumph of Clayton's story is that he has given me pause to reflect on the one's I love and care about, to Live life and to ride with a bit more care.
    Thanks Clayton, and ride on!
  6. Toadride

    Toadride Been here awhile

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    Clayton will live on in our hearts and minds right thru the next century, I'm sure.:1drink
  7. xKLR_John

    xKLR_John Been here awhile

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    I hope I didn't offend Clayton's mother. That was not my intent.

    This thread started with him telling his story and I think it's appropriate that he end his own story.

  8. Jet51

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    I only recently read this thread, I signed up to post a comment but I am just lost for words. There really isn't anything I can say, that hasn't already been covered.

    Does anyone still have the photos from his trip? They don't load for me.
  9. opticalmace

    opticalmace Been here awhile

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    Very sad indeed. I made a donation to spinal research because of his story.
  10. GSF1200S

    GSF1200S Been here awhile

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    It is my understanding that all the photos were removed (the few that were posted). I found only one of clayton.

    It sucks- I never met this guy, but I think about him almost every day. I wish the circumstances were different in many ways..
  11. ClayCousinGail

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    Its been a while, and I can't believe that this thread is still going.

    I am Clay's cousin, Gail. I WISH I can say I was close with Clay, but I wasn't. He moved away from CT and we kinda lost touch. But when we did speak, it was good.

    I just wanted to say thank you. This thread goes on for, what? 80+ pages? Every once and a while I come to read it and it helps.....My heart hurts for the life Clay lost. My heart hurts that Clay could not come out of this accident. My heart hurts that I could not help, nor was I close enough to him.

    One thing I do know is that in the end, he had controll over his life, no matter how much we don't like it.

    And I have my tee shirt....a true bright spot and tribute to a good guy.

    I choose to remember him with the vitality and fierce passion he had in his life. Thats who he was.

    So thank you all for the words. Know that it means a lot.

    And please, drive safely!
  12. larryboy

    larryboy Chopper Rider

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    Hiya Gail. :wave


    Thanks for checking in, Clayton really touched us here in this community and we miss him.

    This is how I choose to remember him.

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  13. ClayCousinGail

    ClayCousinGail n00b

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    Larry, I LOVE that picture of him. I was in Seattle on business when he was there and we JUST couldnt connect. I wish we did.

    BUt he was an awesome little cousin :)
  14. GSF1200S

    GSF1200S Been here awhile

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    Good to hear from the family. You had quite the cousin, and it sucks what ended up happening. People tend to respect other people with a zeal for life, intelligence, and a kind nature- he seemed to have it all. And then bam- tragedy. What else can you say? It draws the compassion of everyone who cannot even fathom being instantly thrust into such a terrible situation. He was an advrider more than many of us (myself included).
  15. Klr-GSMike

    Klr-GSMike n00b

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    It's been a while since I've been here, I was just thinking about Ozymandias, which led me to thinking about Clayton and this thread....

    Glad to see that it's still here..
  16. danbrew

    danbrew GSAdv.com

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    Ditto. RIP Clayton.
  17. soulfounder

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    So glad to see this thread is still here....RIP Clayton.
  18. Alex_V

    Alex_V Adventurer

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    RIP, Powerful writing.

    Motorcycling is a sport to be taken step by step. If you are new to it, take baby steps. Book reading is no substitute for experience. Luck is sure is a factor, but as with anything understand your skill limits.

    I hope no first time ADV riders attempt this, from the get go this was a bad idea. My most sincere condolences.
  19. GSF1200S

    GSF1200S Been here awhile

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    I understand some saying Clayton was under prepared, but it seems to me he did fine until that moment with the donkey. I have had close calls with dear, rabbits and cats- it can happen anywhere. Adventure riding isn't doing 15000 miles in 1 day- its a tank this day and 300 miles the next. I guess I don't understand this idea that Clayton's zeal for adventure is the main issue- the issue was that one moment he made a poor judgement.

    I've made the same errors, I just got lucky. I'm sure many if not most of us have at some point.
  20. KSUperDuty

    KSUperDuty GNerdly Adventurer

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