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Discussion in 'Thumpers' started by viseGrip, Mar 2, 2012.
Agreed but he said wanted an opinion
well, i'm getting anxious and not allot of bikes are turning up in my area (williamsport, pa), but i know of a stock 04 XR650L close by for $2800 - he might do $2700. it looks clean and a quick visual turned up no problems other than a sticky throttle cable and crappy Honda frame welds, but the guy didn't have it running when i looked at it (battery and fuel removed). current owner is the 3rd though and that bothers me a bit - i like to be able to know the full history. it looks like it was well taken care of.
the XLR is a tall bike, but i assume it can be lowered a bit if i wanted. i guess my inseam is ~33" and i can only get toes on the ground.
i think many will agree the XLR is a good bike, but any feedback would be appreciated, such as...
1) general opinions
2) specific things i should be looking/listening for when inspecting/riding the XLR
3) mods that are considered pretty much necessary for road/dirt touring use
4) anything else you know about this monster...
For me, in the dirt, I want as light a bike as I can get.
On the long trips/hiway, vibration gets important, along with comfort.
I have had 500cc bikes that vibrated, and 250cc bikes that were smooth, and would take the smooth over the vibration.
Small smooth bikes can spin up and still be happy, my TU250 has no problem spending an hour at 80 mph in traffic, and would do it all day long.
It is short on power for cross country interstate travel though, in traffic, in flat terrain, it has no problem doing 80-85 mph, but hills and headwinds can kill it to 70.
So I suspect the wr250 which is reported to be VERY smooth would be better on the interstate then a drz400, even though power is lower. Its got almost 10 hp more then my TU.
I don't know about the power output of a dr350, but I think it would be GREAT if you found a good used one (very cheap), went through it (chain, sprockets, brakes, wheel bearings) put a pumper carb on it, open up the airbox a bit, jet it right, get a real nice seat for it (seat concepts?), and for not a lot of money have a very good all around bike.
DR650 is great if the dirt is smooth and hard, and can be ridden fast over rough stuff with suspension upgrades, but can bust you up badly if you fall the wrong way what with it being tall and heavy.
I would not want to get busted up 1000 miles from home.
You could likey do up a dr350 for less then half what a wr250 costs. Maybe much less then half.
And I think the dr350 has even less problems then the dr650...
hi Brett - i like the little WR and if i intended on short street runs with plenty of added dirt i'd be looking at it very hard, but i'm going to be doing long street runs with plenty of dirt roads and some trails while carrying... i don't know... maybe around 30 or 40lbs. of gear plus my 185lbs.
i'm not sure the WR is up to the task, but i'd love to hear from anyone that thinks otherwise
even with the extra power of the WR, pulling 230+ lbs. at 65 mph in a head wind has got to be asking an awful lot of the little bugger
Well, that is what everyone is looking for, a bike that can do 80 mph all day, and do single track and mud holes, without vibration or breakdowns, low service, etc.
Its not made.
You need to go big and heavy for the slab, and little, light for the dirt for best results.
My take on the big honda is they are crazy tall, and tall and heavy is out for me, plus some models held little oil and ran hot, not great for long life, plus, I think they have that crazy 2 carb setup (what were they thinking?).
DR650 if you have strong bones and are strong enough to pull a 400 pound bike off your leg and out of a mud hole.
Its happy to run 80 mph all day long.
Me being older, and having nothing but sand around here, I would go with the 250/350 and wring its neck.
Also, for me, the slab sucks, unless you are on a smaller bike that makes it seem like a road race.
I have slabbed 500's, 750's, 1200's and 250's, and the 250 was the most raw fun.
Even so, I would still rather take back roads.
Better yet, I would rather put a bike in a truck and take it dirt riding with real unworn knobbies, instead of buying dual purpose tires every month and having them not work very well anyplace...
Plus, you can pack a cooler to keep the beer cold.
Just things to think about...
Ask and ye shall receive
Big Dog's on the forums so you can ask him yourself after reading about his trips. 7,000 miles to Alaska on a WR250R is a pretty good indication of it's abilities.
I'd be looking at a WR250R, a DR650, or if you're feeling a bit wealthier a KTM640ADV or Husky TE610.
And I should point out, my little TU250 does fine with the wife on the back, for a total of 370 pounds of people.
The BIKE is 320 pounds, so we weigh more then the bike, and besides taking the edge off the 0 to 60 mph times a little, the bike does fine, even running 70 mph.
Weight on the slab is not much of an issue, although wind drag is.
Some corrections, the DR 650 weights 350 lbs wet, the Klr is over 400 wet. The Honda xr 650 l has a single carb and weights 20 lbs less than the DR, none are in the 250 lb dirt bike class.
Now for my .02 the reason the Honda is so tall is that it has about 2" more of suspension travel over the DR 650. If you lower it you will be removing that difference so why pay for it. The XR does have better suspention right out the box than the DR but you have to ride hard to feel the difference and the DR's suspension is easily upgradeable to suit your riding needs. I've had 2 DR 650's and now ride an XR-L. At 6' 3" and 270 lbs I wanted the taller seat height and suspension that works better hitting chuck holes at 70 mph on a gravel road. Because thats who I am and how I ride, I have sacreficed the street comfort of the DR and now tend to truck my XR over the hill to avoid the 100 mile freeway slog. Don't get me wrong the XR is plenty capable on roads but I have mine geared down and set up for gravel/dirt roading and am running full on knobies. It's just a might buzzy at 70 mph.
I'd vote for holding out for a DR 650, and if after a season or two of riding it you find it lacking, sell it and buy something else.
@Rainshadow - thanks for that!!! will make for some interesting reading!
you guys are making me think twice now... the size, weight, extended service intervals and FI on the WR are sure mighty attractive - people seem to love 'em
You can't beat the Honda's for reliability, if anyone repeats this I will deny ever saying it
I've had my Funduro a week, and I'm in love. Had the "puking petrol" and ignition problem (see the f650.org faq section) which were pretty easy to fix (rebuild the carbs, re-solder a connection) and done. The previous owner was a short guy, so he's either lowered the rear end or they just sit low. I can stop flat footed (I still have to look at that) Parts are cheap if you know where to look, and provided you do a couple little things you can ride it round the world....at least from what I've heard. But mebbe that's just talk :)
You can always do a fly & ride.
99' BMW F650 Funduro - $2700 (Keene)
BMW 1999 F650 - $3800 (Hickory NC)
BMW F650 ST 1996 classic - $2999 (Charleston, SC)
Guys seem to be doing all sorts of amazing stuff on the wr250, and seem to be having fun doing it.
And then the is the big bore mod....
yeah, i'm reading through BigDog's blog now - VERY COOL! this is the kind of trip i want to do - no particular destination and no planned route - just go!
well, i found an 07 DR650SE locally for about $3700 - not even broken in yet - ~750mi. and in showroom condition - completely stock - original tires almost like new
KBB tells me the retail is $3710
it's not the bike i would really prefer (rather have a WRR or a DRZ) but i know it's in absolutely stellar condition
the KBB values seem to be low to me - they're quoting values as being from a dealer and the dealers are selling roughly $1000+ over KBB. also i'm seeing many bikes on craigslist being priced right around the KBB values and selling very quickly
so... question is, if i buy it and decide i don't like it, could i expect to get every penny back out of it, or even a bit more?
in truth, i don't think i'd want to sell it - it seems like a fun bike, just a bit more bike than ideal. still a little tall, but i saw the rear spring was cranked to nearly max
If its not the bike you want and would rather have a DRZ or WRR then it sounds like a lousy deal, don't settle keep looking for what you want. Buying and selling is a pain in the ass and never is worth the hassle, Id pass and keep looking.
i thank all those that helped me reach a decision - some really good info was provided and i absolutely appreciate it!
i ended up buying an 07 DR650SE with less than 800 miles on it - never been on the trails or in the rain and was kept in a heated garage, so it's literally like brand spanking new
let the modding begin...