Sena 30 - just purchased.

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  1. scfrank

    scfrank Old farts riding club.

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    just bought a new Sena 30 dual pack for me and riding buddy. New mesh technology.

    I’ll add a review after some use. Had Sena 10 before.

    First impression - speakers much better and noise reduction is great. No wind noise.
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  2. jkeesaman

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    Mine is working fine, not quite as smoothly as the 20s but I suppose that’ll get fixed in firmware updates. I’ve experimenting, been putting it on public mesh during my work commute. When I pass a motorcycle I wave and say hi, so far 0/100ish. On Saturday group rides in the mountains maybe I’ll get a response.
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  3. scfrank

    scfrank Old farts riding club.

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    I ride with a group often. 5-8 of us. Hope a few get this. With the 10 we were constantly pairing. Hope that gets better.
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  4. Tripped1

    Tripped1 Bitch called me a feminist.

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    I have spent hours standing around smoking watching everyone fight with their sena, both 10S and 20S. I have a 10Ss myself but we really only use them between the woman and I. No issues there really since we are like a 8" apart.
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  5. scfrank

    scfrank Old farts riding club.

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    Intercoms are somewhat like GPS. Over complicated and easy to screw up. In my opinion the user interfaces are the culprit. Certainly, they don’t always work as desired. I’m hoping the new mesh connection technology improves that. We will see. At first use I will say the sound and noise reduction are vastly improved over the 10. Very little wind noise. Two of us had no issue connecting. We don’t often need to talk, but when we do it does have value.
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  6. OJ-J

    OJ-J Chillin

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    What are the key difference's between the sena 30 and the sena 20? :ear
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  7. jkeesaman

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    The Sena 20 intercom supports only Bluetooth connectivity between different headsets. User1 connects to User2, User2 connects to User3,... (see line diagram)

    The Sena 30K does everything the 20 does and adds separate mesh network capabilities. With the mesh mode active each user has a connection to the other users within range. (See mesh diagram)

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    The difference start to become apparent with three or more users. With the 20 if User2 gets stuck at a traffic light and goes out of range it breaks its connection to User1 and User3, nobody is communicating. With the 30K User1 and User3 continues to communicate, User2 rejoins when they get back into range. The problem for the 20 compound quickly with more users, the line network is more fragile.

    So far I’ve only connected to two other users in mesh mode on my 30K so I can’t attest to how robust it’s adaptive mesh capabilities are.

    With the 20 intercom you have to plan out before riding, who will connect to who, and pair the headsets accordingly. With the 30K you can just turn on the mesh network in public mode and talk to anyone within range. This seems significantly faster and easier.

    The other features are the same - FM, phone connectivity,...
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  8. sdpc2

    sdpc2 Just another Rally Rat

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    it sounds like the 30 is better for those folks who ride in fairly large groups. Is there anything else in the technology with the 30's that is better than the 20's? For me, the 20S has been more than acceptable. My only issue is that I use mine on two different helmets and one of the speakers on one of the helmets doesn't have a great connection and sometimes crackles like there is a short in the wiring. It is kind of annoying, but I don't feel like ordering another mounting kit and redoing the mounting in my helmet. Other than that one annoyance, it connects to my phone, my wife's 10S and my GPS flawlessly. I tried the FM radio, but that didn't work hardly at all. Since I didn't really care much about having FM radio, it is a non issue for me.
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  9. ArmyStrong

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    is the speaker quality better on the 30? I love my 20s and don't need mesh or anymore capability..but would like more volume.
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  10. jkeesaman

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    I think the 30K uses the same speakers, microphone, and mount as the 20S. I’ve swapped the main units around with each other’s mounts and can’t tell the difference. I have “Audio Boost” turned off on both since it’s enough volume for me.
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    scfrank Old farts riding club.

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    I replaced my 10 with the 30K. The speakers are much improved. We often ride 5-6 together. We are hoping the mesh works better. The noise reduction is noticeable and great. Very little wind noise. I don’t know if the 20 has that.
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  12. scfrank

    scfrank Old farts riding club.

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    Still gaining experience with the 30. Learned about the secondary pairing with phon3 and gps. Still liking the mesh connection with other buddies with the 30.

    One of us has an issue where the 30 shuts down when his gps turns off. Even replaced the unit at the dealer and the new one does the same. None of the rest of us have this issue. He has to ‘reboot’ his Sena to reconnect if he turns off his bike/ gps NAV V. We will be looking at the Nav settings next. Again, turning off his gps turns off the Sena 30.
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  13. spokedoc

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    As I understand it, comparing the 30 to the 10, another improved function is the ability to configure the priority of the various paired inputs. The normal priority for the 10 is for the phone to have priority, then, I think, GPS, intercom and media last. I use the Kyrocera Duraforce Pro as my GPS, phone and to play music. The problem is that the Sena 10 thinks the GPS output from my phone is media. If I am using the intercom I do not get the GPS prompts from the phone. Can you confirm that the priorities are configurable? As I understand, there is an app for your phone that simplfies the user interface for configuration. Is that correct also?
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  14. Albie

    Albie Kool Aid poisoner

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    While I don’t have the 30, I do have the 20 Evo. Both the 20 and 30 allow 2 AD2P connections which makes connecting 2 phones for what you are trying to do workable. It’s the only reason I bought the 20, as my 10 is still working great. I can use my iPhone for music, phone etc. And my Galaxy S5 for my standalone GPS. The default configuration for priority works the way I want it, with music getting over ridden by a phone call or directions from the “GPS”, so I’m not sure how easy it is to to reconfigure.
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  15. TigerTrout

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    I am wondering if any of the members here noticed an improvement with the latest firmware V1.0.3 update from Sena? I am trying to decide on buying a 30K and feel the mesh and noise reduction technology are worth the investment, but would be happier to hear that the latest update made a difference on some of the issues mentioned here.
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    I updated my 30K and it seems that battery life has improved. I haven’t experienced the problems that others have had, mine seems to work mostly fine as it did before. I have noticed in my group that that if a user is experiencing intercom problems a reboot seems helps with both 1.0.2 or 1.0.3.
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  17. TigerTrout

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    Thanks @jkeesaman I appreciate the feedback and always assume that user experience varies.
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    1.0.3 fails for me. Clicking on bluetooth, and garbled on mesh. Battery life is short, but charging it is easy and quick.
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  19. K1W1

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    In my experience with the 20S clicking on BT is caused by one of the control units not being properly connected to its base on the helmet. Usually it is my wifes she doesn't push the control unit fully home onto the helmet fitting.
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    That is one of the first things we checked. We also checked the base contacts were clean and not misaligned. Sena suggested swapping mics out. As typical their most common suggestion was reset and are you sure the pairing was done correctly. But our reason for the 30k was mesh networking with music. Garbled audio without any music occurred on and off on several rides. The iPhone app is messed up also. Keeps saying version 1.0.2 is current and we should update the units. Sena doesn't appear to approach software as a science and dumps units to the customers for Beta testing.

    On a side note a friend out of the area said his 20s case crumbled in his hands. Seems there was some early issues with their plastics. He is getting them replaced.

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