Seriously -Kids and Trials vs MX

Discussion in 'Trials' started by deminimis, Jun 14, 2010.

  1. deminimis

    deminimis I Eat Glue

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    Didn't want to hijack the other similar thread. So, here's my situation: The Boy rides a Honda 50. He rides it like a pro. He wants to race. He's more than ready to race. The fiddy is getting a bit small for him. I need to get him a new bike. He's 7 and he's not going to have two bikes. He also wants a trials bike (I may have a line on a .5 Sherco locally). So, its gonna be a CRF70 or a .5 Sherco in The Boy's future. As much as I want him to give trials a try, I really don't think he'll like it as much as another MX bike (being able to hit the trail, race, go fast, etc.). Suppose I could let him try trials and if its not his bag, then I could sell the Sherco (not like I'd get hurt on the Sherco as they are far and few between). On the other hand, The Boy is a hard-hitter so not sure the more refined and civilized world of trials is for him at this time. I dunno. Wish my parents would have found themselves in such a quandary when I was a wee nugget (I had to secretly ride my friends' dirtbikes for years because my parents forbid motorcycles). Guess I could have whittled this down to one sentence: Do one thing and do it well, or Jack of all trades?
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  2. Brewtus

    Brewtus Buffoonery, Inc.

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    Trials training crosses over to all other forms of motorcycling. It teaches you the finer points of throttle, brake, and clutch control. It rarely translates well the other way.

    Heck, back when Kenny Roberts used to train his GP racers, they would not get on a YZR500R first thing out. He would get them trained on XR100R flattrackers and trials bikes first to fine tune the aforementioned skills.

    I'm just saying......:thumb
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  3. mud

    mud I just wander.....

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    Pretty much like you said.
    If you pick up the Sherco you will have no trouble turning it around if it is not for him, you would also pretty much break even as long as he doesn't break much while he rides it......

    If you ask him after explaining he can only get one, what does he say?
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  4. deminimis

    deminimis I Eat Glue

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    He can't decide. Its like chocolate vs. vanilla. He hasn't tried a trials bike yet, so I may ask some parent at an event if he might give his/her kid's bike a whirl. That might settle it real fast.
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  5. Dorzok

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    who are you trying to kid??
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  6. deminimis

    deminimis I Eat Glue

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    That would be the easy route, but a 7-yr-old with two bikes is a bit excessive. Of course, "The Girl" has a bike AND a horse...

    No, Daddy needs a cargo trailer. The Boy is limited to one bike.
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  7. deminimis

    deminimis I Eat Glue

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    Crap, this is harder for me than him. Yea, maybe two bikes and if trials isn't a good fit, at least we tried. Just because I'm a proud papa, here he is last year on a little track with me in tow: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufSxEJI13VM
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  8. Sting32

    Sting32 Trials Evangelist

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    LOL so true.

    I think you will have to decide were the priorities are, bonding is better when you both participate, being Trials or dirt bike trails or MX. What is neat about trials though, realistically, your life isnt in danger when you are competing. nor is his, for a long time at least. (I submit if he makes pro, you can get hurt more likely, lol)... (no dont email me, relatively the MX vs Trials, there are no comparisons).

    In many many years of trials, I have gotten hurt in a trials, once, I didnt miss work or nothing, but it hurt bad enough for several weeks I didnt ride... Nice goose egg on my shin, in a freakish accident where stepping off the bike in a wet/slippery trails, I managed to get my handlebar caught in my boots... (you had to be there...)

    For the record, I have been hurt doing NON trials things, on my trials bike... Comparatively, if you make a mistake at 50mph it hurts bad, when you make a mistake in a real trials, it hurts as bad as it does when you make a mistake "loading" your MX bike into the back of the pickup, usually, because there is seldom speed involved, sometimes a hill or 2, a tree or a rock, but that is about it!

    Lastly, I want to add that I have had worse spills:
    1. walking sections than riding them as well, in the harder classes like at the nationals LOL.
    2. goofing around the house (fell off a desk once).

    So, you have some things to think about.
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  9. xrmattaz

    xrmattaz sputum is my bread/butter

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    Take the lad with you to a trials event, let him see all the competitive kids having a ball, then let him decide.
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  10. deminimis

    deminimis I Eat Glue

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    Been there, done that...twice. That's what started this quandary.

    Here's the decision I've come to. I have a pair of whitewater kayaks that I was going to sell to help fund my trials bike. Well, bought my bike, but haven't sold the boats yet. So, I'll use the boats to help fund the trials bike for The Boy. I'll use his 50 to help fund the 70. I might have to sell a kidney to fund the remainder, but it settles the issue. He doesn't deserve it as he is an evil unrepentant child, but saves me from a difficult decision.
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  11. Gordo83

    Gordo83 Been here awhile

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    If the boy's a hard hitter, I would think he would make a great trials rider. Not sure about the refined and civilized part. Seems to me the sections get scarrier and more difficult every year.
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  12. Charla

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    All I can say is that racing MX gets really expensive really fast and pretty much consumes your life.

    I'm crossing my fingers that my kids don't get bitten by the racing bug and I never have to tell them that we can't afford it.
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    You do realise that I now need to put a Parental Lock on the Trials Forum!!! As soon as our son is old enough to read and use the search function he will use this post against me!!! I guess I'll have to tell my wife the precedence was set by deminimis... our old buddy... family trials dude....

    So, I guess my next step is to put our two ocean kayaks on CL and put the $$$ into a CD for the day he asks the question.

    Congratulations Deminimis Jr. ! Your dad ROCKS!!! :clap :clap :clap
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  14. deminimis

    deminimis I Eat Glue

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    At least he already has his trials helmet:
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    Oh, now that's just mean......









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  16. leanin

    leanin Been here awhile

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    One of the cool things about trials is riders of different abilities can go play together and have fun. Most big obstacles have smaller obstacles near them.

    Fast trail riding isn't as fun with riders of different abilities because someone always has to stop and wait or ride slower than they want for them to stay together.

    MX is good for families because the kids usually don't get too far out of sight. But, unfortunately, it can be rough on the body which makes it rough on those of us that don't bounce to good any more. I see a lot of families at the MX track. But, usually the dad is in the pits while jr is on the track.

    Unfortunately, most young-uns are more turned on by the speed and danger of MX more than the technique and precision of trials.

    As the dad, I'd strongly encourage trials. But, until recently, I would've always chosen the thrills of the speed events.
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  17. deminimis

    deminimis I Eat Glue

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    Leanin, I think you hit every point spot-on. The Girl and I lost The Boy and the Mom on a trail last weekend (we got too far out in front of them). Yea, I'm still paying for that one.
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    i hear that. ten years ago i was spending $200 a month just on track fees for a boy who just wanted to race for second to last place.
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  19. bashed

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    I guess there not really intended to be ridden as a fast paced trail bike but mine is quickly taking the xcw's place in the van when i'm headin to my fav riding spots! So far it seems to be holding up just fine and I seem to be overall quicker plus nothing stands in her way! Your son could be one of the few at the local harescramble on a trials.:D
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  20. roadholder

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    I grew up riding trials while many friends were riding MX or roadracing. They were usually broke, hurt or both! Riding trials, you can generally count on making it to work or school on Monday...good for both parents and kids! Definitely easier on the bank account too. :D

    Unfortuantely trials suffers in this era of the two minute attention span as it is hard! It takes time to get good at it and unlike racing, a newbie can't even ride where the experts go... and is constantly reminded of one's mediocrity! It takes time and practice.
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