Setup your rugged Android for all things GPS ?

Discussion in 'Mapping & Navigation' started by ohgood, Oct 6, 2015.

  1. ohgood

    ohgood Just givver tha berries !!!

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    Gauging interest- I've wondered if there was a market for setting up rugged/waterproof smartphones with ALL your old gpx tracks, waypoints, etc for a while, so I thought this was a good place to ask.


    Plan a:
    Send me a rugged/waterproof smartphone along with your tracks/waypoints/stuff via sdcard/thumbdrive/gmail/, and I mail it back to you, ready to go.

    Plan b
    Hmm, not sure yet. I'm trying to make this is plug-n-play as possible.

    A dual-core (minimum, please) high selling device like s4 active, s5 active, moto g, or similarly GOOD SELLNG device running Android would be best. Sorry, no iphones (yet), and definitely no windows phones (until they break 10% marketshare).

    expectations, (your phone will be):
    *wiped of all user data (erased) and waiting for you to add your gmail account
    *completely updated, and ready to navigate to wherever in the USofA (the rest of the north american continent is available without extra charges, just ask please) with vector maps, GraphHopper data sets, and POI's for thousands of campsites/fuel/stuff.
    *livetracking setup so your spouse/dog/friends can track your epic rides in a browser via GPSies.com as long as there is a cellular signal to push data
    *automagical track recording with three profiles: street (low point count), dualsport (medium point count), fine (hiking, very high point counts) that starts each time the application is started, and saved automagically every x minutes
    *completely usable as a GPS device, without cellular service ever being needed again, aside livetracking, for obvious reasons
    *instructions for setting up FolderSync so all your data is backed up to GoogleDrive thrice a week

    and the main selling point:
    *YOU WILL NEVER HAVE A NEED TO TOUCH BASECAMP AGAIN, EVER. you can still store your tracks there if you prefer, but there is no need. yes really. ever. :)

    Note:
    This is not a store, shop, or business (yet), this is only a gauging interest thread. The first 10 setups would be FREE (minus cost of hardware+shipping obviously) , and I'll let those users voice their praises/flames about the process, right here, in the open, on advrider. If it turns out to be a huge time waster/annoyance, expect the first ten to be the only ten. If it's actually a positive experience for both of us, expect a VERY reasonable price, fast turn around, and super-good vibes about trusting people in our world again...

    TRUST:
    Yes, I know you're thinking "I'm not about to send some random dude my $600 phone, and HOPE he sends it back, that's crazy!" and I understand. All I can offer you in assurance are my posts in Locus thread, and other gps-related threads as proof of my intentions to help/serve.



    Will I HOOK YOU UP?
    hacked/cracked/unlocked maps, tat tracks, or anyone's pay-for data... forget it, no, I will not "hook you up" like the cable guy.


    Thoughts ?
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  2. DaMonk45

    DaMonk45 I B Da Monk

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    You been nippin at that jug again?
    This is just crazy enough to work!
    You may want to dig up a few links on some
    good rugged phones, that you know work.
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  3. snare

    snare sittin and breathin

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    Great idea !
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  4. worwig

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    Interesting idea.

    My $.02.

    It would be better at this stage to put together a web page/tutorial.
    People are going to have to get their 'hands dirty' on the physical devices themselves, so that operation is a more natural thing to them in the field.

    If you hand many people a ready to go system, they will never really learn how to use it. They will just own it.

    I'm in sort of that situation now. A friend wanted something for his bike. I told him he could just use an older cell phone. He said it can't be done without a cell connection. He finally brought me an old phone. I loaded it with everything he needs and works well. It is ready to go. But he isn't really interested in it because he was told it can't work. I wasted my time and his.
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  5. ramz

    ramz Professional Trail Rider

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    Which phone?
    Which apps?
    Is it for sale?

    :ricky
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  6. ohgood

    ohgood Just givver tha berries !!!

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    PLEASE WRAP YOUR PHONE with two or three layers of bubble wrap, or similarly damage resistant stuff, then tape the bubble wrap to itself, so the phone cannot slide / move / shift, before placing it in a flat-rate box or flat rate envelope, and INSURE that device for whatever you think it's worth. The USPS/FedEx/etc will be the final decider for all damages, not me, so please keep that in mind when wrapping and sending. I will return it similarly wrapped. Thanks !


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    POST SIX - THIS IS THE UPDATE POST !
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    I will not change/edit the original idea post (first post) in this thread. If you want to check for updates to the process (downloading one file to unzip to your phone, without having to ship it to me) check here, in POST SIX :)

    From now on, the only post I will edit will be post six. All my other responses will stay, as they are, once posted.

    Thanks ! :)

    The Last One.....

    5_29_2017
    Changing the recommendation from GraphHopper to BRouter for routing datasets. The reason for this change of recommendation is only because BRouter is easier to setup, and much less confusing than GraphHopper. GraphHopper still works fine, but I want to give you the easiest way to get starter ! Reminder: routing datasets ARE NOT MAPS, they are only used for the OFFLINE ROUTING function in locus. MAPS are provided by locus (locus pro has ALL maps, free version only has 3, or 5, I don't remember). MAPS are also provided by openandromaps.com and very high quality. Just wanted to clarify again, that MAPS and ROUTING DATASETS are not the same thing. Thanks for bringing it to my attention again :-)
    Happy riding, easy mapping my friends :-)

    8_22_2016
    it's been real and it's been fun, and I've learned a lot thanks to you guys n gals. time to pull the plug on this thing and start the next thing up. if i helped you via setup or just advice, thanks for the opportunity. not only did we all learn a little bit there was a LOT of trust involved by you shipping me some fairly expensive electronics, with nothing more than a promise i would send it back again. thanks, it's nice to know folks still trust their neighbors a little. :-)

    i sent out the last phone last week, but now things are picking up much too quickly to continue as i was. maybe over the holidays i can do a few, if anyone needs it. just glad i got to talk with a few of you and try something new.

    thanks again for the opportunity, I'll try picking up with this and tablets next time if things go well.

    ride safe, and rock on
    :-)


    6-27-2016
    Dolly Sod requested a list of devices I've seen and used, that could be recommended. here we go from last expensive to most as of today.

    $30-50
    Casio c811-
    very tough, lte (Verizon or straight talk) expansible memory, dual core, cheap, external charging pubs, removable battery. love this phone, great gps functionality, great compass, altimeter, thermometer, but lacking Bluetooth 4.x so heart rate monitors and any/any+ devices will not work with it. really really good device. rootable. 4" display. price is used.

    Kyocera hydro air(my current)-
    quad core fast device, with LTE, Bluetooth 4.x, water proof, OK camera, good GPS sensitivity, big 5" display 8/10 in sunlight, expansible memory, danger! sealed in battery ! danger!, OK camera, GREAT call quality, and a really nice device, for $40 brand new.

    Motorola moto g first generation important, model xt1045-
    very good display, 6/10 direct sunlight, Bluetooth 4.x , lte, soldered in battery ! danger! , fast, better camera than Kyocera above. i personally like the size of this device at 4" than the 5" Kyocera for in the hand impression. it survived a 5' fall into a creek bed, landing face down, so it's tougher than it looks. swappa price close to 50-90$. love this device.

    galaxy rugby pro-
    love this device! screen is small compared to the others, and only a 4 or 5/10 for sunlight visibility, but it has expandable memory, sdcard slot, lte, nfc, dlna, and everything you want besides Bluetooth 4.x , so forget heartrate monitor/ant. removable battery, nice snappy device but a little dated with only a dual core. i tossed this one down a rocky hill into a mud puddle, two sxs and quads ran over it and it didn't care. about$60 on eBay, ort $35 if your lucky.

    galaxy s4 active- really nice, 6/10 display, expanding memory/battery, very good GPS sensitivity, really nice size, really really nice device. Samsung devices has a better feel than others, to me. about$80 on eBay.

    doogee y100- I've only seen a few of these but they're snappy and good displays. expansible memory, 6/10 sunlight visibility, not waterproof, very nice size. only saw three of these. around$85 eBay new.

    galaxy s5/6/7/active or not-
    incredibly awesome devices. waterproof, premium freaking handsets. these things define mobile communications for whatever year they are released. prices are high $$$.

    iPhone- no experience. feel free to enlighten me, I'm not planning on owning one until they have a waterproof model under $200.

    windows phone-
    is dead.

    blackberry-
    is dead.




    5-16-2016
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    BEGIN DIY (do it yourself) GRAPHHOPPER INSTRUCTIONS
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    If you want to DIY and not ship the phone to me, here you go....
    Download the Graphhopper Addon for locus from here
    https://drive.google.com/folderview...RMTDZUZGw3TlN4WTZLMHVUbTUtUGwtVUFvVlFVWlN6MDA


    and the DATASETS you will need for where you intend to have ROUTING on your journeys from here
    https://drive.google.com/folderview...RMTDZUZGw3TlN4WTZLMHVUbTUtUGwtVUFvVlFVWlN6MDA

    AFTER YOU HAVE THOSE FILES decompressed to your phone's SDCARD (they're pretty big for a country!) you will need to install LOCUS from the google play store. I don't care if you use FREE or PRO, but there are a few more features in PRO you may want to have.

    AGAIN, I don't make a DIME from the application installs (locus/osmand/graphhopper/etc) so if you choose to use the free version, it means nothing to me. :)

    OK, you have graphhopper (apk) and the graphhopper datasets (decompress them!) in your /sdcard/locus/mapsVector/Graphhopper directories right ?

    Good

    From the SETTINGS menu, go to NAVIGATION, then under the "Global" tab at the very top, press "YOURS" or "MAPQUEST" or whatever it says and make sure the GRAPHHOPPER is your new selection.
    That's the first step.

    NEXT TO the selection titled GRAPHHOPPER are more settings just to the right. press there and make sure the "Date Directory" points to YOUR STATE OR PROVINCE. Mine is "alabama.osm", because that's where I'm starting a trip today. If I were in Georgia, I would select georgia.osm. :)

    Next, go try it out, while running AIRPLANE MODE to make sure that it works offline for you.

    REMEMBER, when a route crosses state lines, you'll need to end your route planning THERE, at the state line, then change to the NEXT STATE along your journey. This is the only caveat to planning while in offline mode.

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    END of DIY graphhopper instructions
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    Begin Locus DIY instructions
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    OK, you have installed Locus (free or pro) from the android market. It's installed, and you've chosen to either use offline (graphhopper/ brouter) routing or to just follow someone else's routes/tracks.

    GREAT.

    This is going to be extremely brief.

    GO RIDE.

    Yes, that's it. If you want to record tracks, import tracks, export, or plan routes, fine. We'll get to that in the Locus thread. You should RIDE and occasionally try something new with locus, or osmand, or whatever you're using. Life is not about starting at a computer screen, either no your desktop or the bikes bars. it's about going !

    GO FREAKING RIDE !!!

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    2-17-2016
    If it's ok with everyone here, I'll just keep asking that you pay return shipping, and populate this thread with your honest opinion of the experience, for the rest of 2016 ? Maybe in 2017 I'll buy a few dozen devices and start shipping them loaded up, with charging mounts, for my cost + shipping ? Let's just see how it goes. :-)

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    2-4-2016
    PLEASE WRAP YOUR PHONE with bubble wrap, or similarly damage resistant stuff, then tape the bubble wrap to itself, so the phone cannot slide / move / shift, before placing it in a flat-rate box or flat rate envelope, and INSURE that device for whatever you think it's worth. The USPS/FedEx/etc will be the final decider for all damages, not me, so please keep that in mind when wrapping and sending. I will return it similarly wrapped. Thanks !



    1-26-2016:
    pricing- has not changed, it's almost free. you pay shipping to and from me. some people send a $20 bill, some people send 2 of them. that's way more than is needed to get it done. depending on shipping this is a mind-blowing profit of somewhere between $4-14 per device, you can paypal me return shipping if you don't want to send cash.

    intent- to get people exploring, and sharing tracks. this ain't no goldmine idear, ok ?

    hope- that you will post about your impressions of the usability of the phone, the apps, the entire process, so others can make an informed decision. if i leave you phone greasy and smelling like fried chicken, yes, that's fair game, call me on it.

    thanks- to everyone so far. hope you're out riding this weekend :)

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  7. ohgood

    ohgood Just givver tha berries !!!

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    I think you are on to something here... kind of like searching out your own interests, most people will never try a new hobby, or invest the time required to become proficient.

    good point!
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  8. ramz

    ramz Professional Trail Rider

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    I'm not kidding...

    :ricky
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  9. worwig

    worwig Long timer

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    Something like this maybe. Needs a lot of work.

    http://hogmountain.homenet.org/GPSinfo.htm
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  10. kag

    kag Wander Lust

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    Would love something for off road that is actually good (not $600).....just got done using my Nuvi 1490 on a trip.....severely lacking in the off road mapping department. I can always make it water resistant.

    Now if you can hack my Nuvi with better non-copyrighted off road stuff send me your addy and away it goes.

    I think I even have a old S4 I no longer use (went Motorola Maxx). I am interested

    What I think many of us are interested in is learning how to make it work and using it in a simple instructional format. Watched many youtube vids....just figured out how to convert trks into routes and upload to nuvi. But the Nuvi presented many challenges on this last trip.
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  11. ohgood

    ohgood Just givver tha berries !!!

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    1- The huge number of very slightly different garmin/tomtom/magellan/whoever standalones is one of the main reasons I decided to stop trying to keep up with standalone gps units. Secondary to the number of units to keep up with and their oh-so-slightly different hardware (and software) variations were VERSIONS of those same devices. I looked at the two garmins, two tomtoms, and single magellan one afternoon, and decided trying to support all of them with vendor specific software, proprietary map types, and routes vs tracks vs whatever file types ---- was just an incredible waste of time. I picked up my phone and got busy. Unfortunately nothing has changed in the standalone world, so I'm still using only phones/tablets to do my gps stuff. If there were some standardization across models, and some SANE FILE SHARING between them, I'd be game again. Until then, heck no. :) sorry, I just don't mess with them at all anymore. :)

    2- i could load it up and help you out , but i think that ' 3 ' might be a better direction for you, and possibly others.

    3- load your phone, and go through a couple of very brief video tutorial sessions of how to do things like:
    waypoint guidance (sweet)
    track guidance (very simple)
    turn by turn navigation via MapQuest, BRouter, and GraphHopper
    Vector and Image based map downloading for OFFLINE use
    database backup

    if you want the phone loaded and setup, you'll be the first person, and I'll use it in the videos. just let me know. :)
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  12. kag

    kag Wander Lust

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    I am in....i will order a used phone as i can't find my old S3.

    Pm me ur contact i will just have it shipped there and send u my contact. Also cost....Pp?

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    highnoonhunter Leathersmith

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    What about the Casio G'zone Commando C771 or the C811?
    My son had one of these and said it was the toughest phone he's ever owned and suggested it to me as they had a larger capacity battery you can get.
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  14. kag

    kag Wander Lust

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    Saw that phone.....also water resistant.

    Trying sort out which phone uses stand alone GPS vs AGPS. I do not intend on using a sim card with this
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  15. ohgood

    ohgood Just givver tha berries !!!

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    the c771 runs a no longer supported version of android (2.3) which will not work well at all with locus, and some other navigation applications. it's also a single core device, so it's much less than optimal. the c811 should work much better for you, and i believe those have the exterior charging pins (bonus!) that should allow for waterproof charging while mounted on the bike. i don't have much experience with the 811, so i may be completely off base.
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  16. ohgood

    ohgood Just givver tha berries !!!

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    don't worry about that. A-GPS is ASSISTED gps, not 'dependant' gps. in other words, cellular data can assist, but it not required.
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  17. ohgood

    ohgood Just givver tha berries !!!

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    KAG is the first to pm me, so there is no cost to KAG, at all. The other nine will pay return shipping only, and after TEN USERS try it out, I'll have an idea of what it costs me in time to setup a device. It will be very cheap though, I'm sure. Thanks kag :)


    nine slots left :)
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    Great!
    Now, I will try to get a phone ASAP. Maybe I can get in on one of the last 9 slots!
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    kag Wander Lust

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    Thank you sir.......but not looking for free....

    I am sure you'll find something in the phone package when it ships to you. Maybe not cash but something you can use.
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