Shoei Neotec VS Schuberth C3 - Impressions and Comparo

Discussion in 'Equipment' started by Motodisiac, Feb 8, 2012.

  1. ninogui

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    hi all, my small contribution

    writing to you from across the atlantic. in lisbon, portugal, noticed this is the longest thread of any forum regarding schuberth vs neotec and comms also

    I do have a kawasaki versys and just bought a neotec. So this is my story here;

    Used a givi x-08 (aka givi x-modular) for the last two years, size L59. Although a very comfortable helmet, at highway speeds (yes people do pull the throttle here just like any latin country lol) it was becoming unbearably noisy.
    So went for all the hype regarding the schuberth c3 and bought one. Tried it on the shop and apparently all was ok but...
    Next day started a twin trip down south and it was totally off on this. Not only was unable to wear it for more than 20 minutes it was unfitted too, very noisy and in total ear pain, although again as stated in the shop seemed ok. So had to go back home and swapped for the givi again for the weekend.!

    Next monday at the shop the dealer was kind enough (the helmet was already slightly used for the short trip) to option me into swapping for another. Thing here is schuberth does not have 3 shell sizes, available are in fact small and extra large shell sizes. That´s why there´s a jump in sizes from L58-59 to XL60-61. Concluded I am a pure L59-60. Meaning no way any schuberth (all models are like this) will ever fit me both snug and comfortably.

    Went for the neotec (2th shell size L59) and it´s perfect! both comfortable and the perfect fit. Silence enough although the top vent either closed or open does tend to create top head noise and this one already comes with the corrected top vent piece (yes they produced one recently) which on the very first edition did not close completely when needed. Also why the hell would I want the faceshield (on the c3) to drop down at over 40kmh ?? for security reasons ? go figure
    Funny enough if the top vent is opened and the face shield is up there´s close to no noise coming in have you guys noticed this ?
    If on a longer than city commuting trip what I do is cut a very small piece of foam cigarette size and insert it on the (either closed or open) top vent - voi la noise gone! (and also the amazing ventilation of course!)

    Now I´m looking into a single or twin comms system. I´d like it to have fm radio (a must). Unfortunately sena does not so I´m tending for either the cardo g9, midland bt next or interphone f5.

    my pickies:
    cardo g9 - still haven´t understand if the fm radio reception is improved over the g4. Again seems the right ear cord acts as fm aerial so placement must be the key here

    midland bt next - webbikeworld seems to regard this one as a favorite but a lot of people are unhappy with it (go figure). Flimsy local support at best

    interphone f5 - build and package quality seems hit or miss. No local support whatsoever

    Do you guys have updates on these models ?

    Has anyone tried pairing a sena with a separate fm radio ? if so which one would work?
    or connect one on the aux jack ? what´s your picks and suggestions on this ?

    best rgds from portugal
  2. JamesK

    JamesK Been here awhile

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    Well, I'm another NEO convert, love the helmet, having put on about 15,000 miles on it so far and after having suffered with the C3, which unfortunately couldn't do a damn thing right for me.

    A problem I've found and I which I suspect might be due to the fact that the NEO shield opens from the side rather than the center is that the Pinlock has started "leaking". By this I mean because of the torque on the shield when opening/closing from the LHS with the use of the little tab the seal on the Pinlock is being compromised thus in wet/cold conditions you get some fogging occurring b/w the shield and the Pinlock. This of course is quite annoying and dangerous since the only way to wipe the fog away is by removing the Pinlock.

    Having in the past (a few years ago) used a FogCity insert and it working flawlessly I have recently purchased one again. Unfortunately it looks like FogCity went on the cheap and instead of a solid insert they now sell some crappy piece of really thin film which plain does not work, at least not how the original used to. This think film, whilst not directly fogging up gets really blurry and quite distracting.

    So I'm hoping to hear some WOTL on what others have done with regards to Pinlock or FogCity or whatever other solution to help keep the fogging problem at bay.
    Since the Pinlock works ok when it works I have thought of maybe using some silicone, think double-sided tape or glue to make the Pinlock stay sealed based on the principle the FogCity insert uses. Has anyone tried this and if yes, what were your results?
    Any other ideas/suggestions?
  3. twinrider

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  4. JamesK

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  5. Rinty

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    I went to my local dealer yesterday to buy a C3, and came home with a Neotec. It was more comfortable, and I was impressed with the venting system. Next spring, I'll check to see whether there is any top vent air leakage in the closed position.

    One day last winter, I left the vent plugs for my ski helmet at home, and that was a memorable experience. :lol3
  6. ShineySideUp

    ShineySideUp Been here awhile

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    A riding aquantance of mine rode from Michigan to Florida Keys to Alaska. He wore a Neotech the entire trip. He said
    he encountered almost all the weather you can experience, except ice, he said the Neotech worked flawless the entire
    trip. His recommendation was the strongest recommendation I could have heard. Bought two one for me and the wife unit.

    A couple of days ago I had the opportunity to test the Neotech. I was on a PGR mission and left my home at 5:45 am. 34 degrees F, dark, foggy. I had inserted the anti-fog pinlock the night before. I had experienced fogging the day before and it was annoying to have to open the shield to clear the fogging. I tried all combinations of venting using the chin vent, the top of head vents to get rid of the fog, nothing worked. Wow what a positive difference the pinlock made. Virtually no fogging. I did get a little fogging in the far right side of the shield, but it did not interfere with my vision. My head stayed warm and dry the entire day. The fit is great. Is the helmet a premium price? Yes. My head is also a premium head, in my opinion :eek1
  7. TheWorstKind

    TheWorstKind In the Wind

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    I have been wearing a Neotech now for about two months. I spoke to Shoei NA before buying the helmet about the design air leakage on the top vent, and I was told that all neos for colder climates have a 100% closable top vent with a build-date of after April 2012. My helmet does not leak air.

    This is my first pinlock experience, and it rocks. Rain, 36F, no fogging! We'll see how it does in the twenties next month, I suppose. As a previous poster mentioned, sometimes the pinlock can leak a little if the faceshield gets torqued. Not sure what I will do if that happens while riding. Easy enough to fix at home.

    I had some initial comfort issues with my Neo in regards to the top of my ears. As the helmet has broken in, I have noticed that it rotated ever so slightly forward on my skull, completely freeing up my ears. Overall now, I am very happy with my Neo as my bad weather helmet.
  8. Pampero

    Pampero Verbose Adventurer

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    I'm in the market now and appreciate this thread. Unfortunately, the Scuberth doesn't fit me perfectly (very close, but no cigar)with a conundrum. I did think the Schuberth was quieter in a side by side in the store trial, so I'm still on the fence. Quietness was a big draw for me in respect to the Schuberth.
  9. cognosticator

    cognosticator Been here awhile

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    I had the C3 and it is quieter than the Neotech which I have now, but the C3 gave me the forehead indention pain so bad on a 600 mile ride, I sold it as soon as I got home. I really liked the C3 but it just did not get along with my forehead.

    I had the multitec and the version before that and I find that Shoei fits my head perfectly. :clap
  10. BogeyMan

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    Have a NeoTec. Upgraded from my previous MultiTec.

    What I have been wanting, but have been unable to locate is a tinted / darker visor. For my preference, I don't find the sunshade is adequate and I don't want to ride with sunglasses.

    On my previous MultiTec, I got a nice dark tinted visor, drilled my own PinLock holes and used a dark PinLock insert. For bright sunny days, it was perfect. I always carry a clear visor with me, so I'm not worried about getting caught out in the dark.

    Is anyone making tinted/darker visors for the NeoTec?
  11. Pampero

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    I shopped these helmets yesterday but have reserved my decision pending additional "research." My impressions will naturally vary according to the individual, but for what it's worth:

    Both are excellent quality, but I felt like the Schuberth was detailed marginally better. I have a pretty round head, and fit well in a Quantum 2, which is my standard at the moment. I am an XL in most helmets.

    The Schuberth fit well at the cheeks but was a bit loose at the crown of my head. Not a lot, just enough to cause the helmet to ride down a bit if I jiggled my noggin. The chin bar felt like it would be too close as I lowered it, but once ensconced in the helmet it was just enough out of the way to work well. The sense of quiet isolation was superb. I couldn't really tell if the Schuberth pressure points would trouble me on a long ride, but in the store, apart from the slight looseness at the top of my head, it felt like it would be OK. I do not like the ratcheting chin strap, but I could get used to it; probably a result of familiarity after a lifetime of using D rings.

    The Shoei fit a bit snugger for me all around without feeling uncomfortable. The Shoei is very well made, but the Schuberth's interior detailing seemed a bit plusher/nicer, more refined. It's fits at the chin bar (external) seem a little more precise (closer), though neither helmet rattled or felt insecure that way. I expect at speed the Shoei might whistle/make wind noise a bit more due to that though I have no way to compare in a static situation. The Shoei did provided much better noise isolation than my Arai in the store, but was not quite to the standards of the C3. It would still be a major improvement over my Quantum, I think. I felt that the "controls...visor action and locks were excellent on both, but somewhat preferred the Schuberth's incredible sense of quality. Both of these lids would take some getting used to; there's a lot going on with them once you add the visors and chin bar locks.

    I liked the way the Schuberth looked a bit better without the space ranger spoiler detail of the Shoei, but that's not a deal breaker either way, and exterior finish on both is excellent. no ripples, perfect paint. I didn't notice a difference in weight between the two; again probably something it would take a ride to sort out.

    In the end, I'll probably get a Shoei because proper fit is key, but if the Schuberth could be made to work without sliding forward on my head, I'd say it was just marginally superior. The slightly lower price of the Shoei is a minor incentive, and both helmets are pretty deluxe affairs. I could be happy with either as regards quality and design.
  12. twinrider

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  13. lhendrik

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    Yep, this has been available for a while now. Seems to have a new liner to address the Mark of Schuberth pain inflicting liner of the original for some folks head designs. About $150 more than the orig too. I have only seem it in Europe websites so far.
  14. Pampero

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    I'm glad they make it fit better and that it's improved but if you add the $150 I'd be moved in another direction. It's shown on Revzilla's site at $769. There is a point at which I bow out on what is essentially a consumable. Curiously, the spoiler that I objected to (by reason of looks alone) is now definitely a feature. It seems to be less expensive in Europe from what I can tell.

    I wrote to Schuberth today about the possible availability of different liners and pads for the C3 but was told they are not yet available. That would make sense to me, but the C3 Pro at a more elevated price, doesn't. I'm not sure I like it almost $200 better than the Shoei. Better, yes, but that's a bill too far for me.
  15. twinrider

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    Thanks for that tip. Just found in at fc-moto.de. At $671 they beat Revzilla's price by nearly $110, and that's including shipping.

    For folks who might not know, to get the true price at fc-moto you need to register so they can see you have a non-EU address and remove the VAT from the item once in your cart.
  16. acejones

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    I think one reason they are a bit cheaper in Europe is they are not DOT approved when bought from European sources as if that really matters,
  17. Pampero

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    Makes sense. A lot of money for a sticker.
  18. sonarman

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    I have NeoTec I have had for 4 months now. Excellent helmet but the noise is unbelievable for a helmet costing that much.
    I absolutely cannot ride above 40 miles per hour with some good ear plugs. I would certaining not purchase another one.
  19. KoolBreeze

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    Doubt that's the only or even major reason. perhaps there are other factors involved... such as legal/biding agreements on price setting by manufacture here in the US. meaning that all prices when sold by those legally registered as resellers are the same as set by the "manufacturers suggested list price".

    ie: one retail seller can not sell the helmets at a lower profit margin than a competitor.

    this might not be the case in Europe.

    schuberth in turn is going to support their US retailers by not honoring any warranties on those bought from outside US retail sources.
  20. KoolBreeze

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    that is... what? seriously? :eek1

    I don't own or use a Neotec but there MUST be something significantly wrong with that particular helmet.

    edit: looking at this a day later I believe the real issue was a faux pa. guessing sonarman might've meant "I absolutely cannot ride above 40 miles per hour without some good ear plugs." which makes some sense, having never experienced a helmet in which I wouldn't wear some form of additional hearing protection for an extended ride at speed. perhaps someday I will experience such a helmet... (and I will buy it)