Shorai LFX18A1-BS12 and Water Exposure?

Discussion in 'Crazy-Awesome almost Dakar racers (950/990cc)' started by DARKRYDER, Mar 11, 2013.

  1. DARKRYDER

    DARKRYDER NoNoob

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    Wow, tough crowd in here. Look, take the rubber cover off the charger socket/outlet on the Shorai and you will see a gaping hole in the case. What other "conclusive, solid information" do you need to see the obvious??? You are being a d**k, now go troll someone else's thread and do something useful. No one is spreading any misinformation, I was asking for input from other Shorai owners. Sealing the battery gives me peace-of-mind that I won't be stranded hundreds of miles from civilization with a damaged battery. Form your own opinions and do as you please with your $200+ battery.
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  2. The Griz

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    1) I don't see a huge gaping hole in the case when I remove the rubber sealing cover from the charging plug on the battery. I see a charging plug! :deal And when looking at the charging plug further with the rubber cover removed I see no evidence that there isn't a rubber or silicone seal back in there. Point being, I'm not going to claim that the battery isn't sealed just because I can't see it. If you want to convince the forum that Shorais aren't sealed then rip apart your Shorai and take pictures of where it isn't sealed. Until then, there's no evidence. And don't make the claim that Shorais aren't sealed.

    2) Keep the rubber plug installed in the charging plug where it's supposed to be and you won't get water in the charging plug!

    3) Sorry, but I'm not being a d**k. Just trying to help you out here. I'm simply making sure the forum isn't clouded with misinformation. And if you're looking for input from other Shorai owners then listen to what I and the many others have posted in this thread: we've taken our Shorai through water, mud, rain, dust ,etc with zero problems. I'm not here to form an opinion so I'm not going to. I'm just here to point out that you're broadcasting your opinion as the gospel based upon hearsay and eyeballing the battery from the outside. No facts or proof. Just your opinion that you have a hunch that your Shorai isn't sealed.
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  3. DARKRYDER

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    Pull the rubber cover off and there's a hole where the cover itself mounts to the case. I removed the cover as I needed the charging cable plugged into my battery permanently for easy access while storing the bike for long periods. There's no misinformation being spread, go grind your axe somewhere else. Perhaps you're a Shorai dealer or spokesperson, it makes no difference to me. I'm just a regular guy who loves to ride and I look forward to many trouble-free sandy, muddy river crossings. Discussion closed.
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  4. The Griz

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    Not trying to grind my axe. Still no conclusive evidence that Shorais aren't sealed. The rubber charging plug cover's mounting hole could be a completely enclosed plasticized mounting divit or holder plug. Just because you pulled the rubber plug completely off of the battery casing and you saw a dark hole it doesn't mean that there isn't something behing there, or they didn't somehow seal behind there. They could have even completely enclose the holder plug with plastic. You/we don't know. We need proof, pics, etc. that this point is a breach. Otherwise it's misinformation that "this battery is not waterproof". There are more people on this forum reporting good luck in water with Shorais than bad. Until you have real evidence that Shorais are failing due to water penetration don't get pissy with me.:nono
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  5. DARKRYDER

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    Don't get pissy with you? OK, sure buddy. How about you take your Shorai and dunk it in water a dozen times and then disassemble it to prove that it is watertight? I'm not willing to take that chance with my brand new $200+ Shorai, so I sealed it with silicone and don't need to wonder if water is going to breach the hole or seams. If you feel yours is watertight, I'm happy for you. Mike (Zeegman) hasn't had any issues with his either, so they seem to hold up OK to water, sand, mud, etc. If I have time this week, I'll call Shorai and ask them to clear this up and post back.
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  6. Lil' Irv

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    Lots of good information here. Been a while since I read through the thread but seem to recall some discussion of Shorai and water.
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  7. The Griz

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    Please do, "buddy". I'm happy you gooped silicone on yours, but your opinion that they aren't a sealed battery is just that: an opinion... Until we hear from your Shorai of course. I am open to and await proper evidence.:deal

    It's fine that you're not willing to rip apart your Shorai... Neither am I. However, don't make claims that they aren't waterproof in order to justify your silicone sealing. BTW they're not $200+.

    I agree, discussion done.... unless you continue to make claims without proof.
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  8. DARKRYDER

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    I don't need to prove anything to you and the battery cost around $200. With charger it was more like $250. By the looks of your stockish 990R with street tires, you don't do many deep river crossings on your bike. Either way, I'm done with this discussion. Feel free to continue arguing your point, I'll rest easy knowing my Shorai case is sealed.

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  9. Lil' Irv

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    OK, so here's the relevant piece from post #113 of the thread I linked to in my previous post.
    FWIW, the Shorai in my 950 has two seasons on it with no issues. It's never been submerged so water hasn't been an issue. Did run it flat once (which you're never supposed to do!), charged it with the Shorai charger and no issues since.
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  10. The Griz

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    Sorry you paid $200 for that battery. However, your math makes no sense. Going by your math it would be $275-285 for both. $250 for both makes a bit of sense though. The charger costs $75-85. Battery is $160-170.


    You're hilarious. Your bike is just as clean or cleaner than mine! :roflAnd my pic is in my garage after a wash. Yours is just as clean on a trip!... ....and nice to know that you base someone's 'adv-ness' on how many 'farkles' they have on their bike and how dirty it is on a pic on the internet...Nice try at a burn!.....

    Also, my main experience with the Shorai is in my 2010 BMW G450x and my 2011 Husqvarna TXC449 on single track trails in the woods. River crossings, mud, water, rain, dust, vibration, etc, etc, etc... no problems.


    I don't have a point to argue. I'm just highlighting that your claims that Shorais are susceptible to water penetration are, at least until this point, without real proof. Nice bike though! And I'm sure your silicone will give you peace of mind!
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  12. DARKRYDER

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    Dude...just go away. Your bike is a trailer queen and you obviously don't take it anywhere but fire trails and Starbucks. My bike has been torn down all winter receiving necessary upgrades to prepare it for more heavy abuse this season. My bike has been crashed probably 30 times since I purchased it new and the crashbars do their job perfectly. It's seen plenty of single track and the weak Behr stock front wheel was destroyed in short order. Would you like close ups of my bike to see all of the gouges and scratches it has? The battery is not waterproof and you're just annoying everyone at this point. Go put some proper crashbars, skid plate and some knobbies on your 990 R before you get yourself into trouble on that single track in the woods. I'm convinced this battery is not waterproof, but feel free to continue arguing your point Griz.
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  13. The Griz

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    All unfounded BS posturing and whiny 'go aways' aside....

    YOU'RE convinced this battery is not waterproof. Good for you.... you're entitled to your opinion. But let's keep it at that: YOUR OPINION. No actual proof of it. Just your opinion. Don't you get it? I'm making sure your opinion doesn't get mixed up with factual information here. I'm trying to keep ADV solid for folks, and not an opinion fest. You don't seem to like that. So be it. Have your opinion. But until you present some hard evidence I'll put up with your incessant whining and make sure that opinion is highlighted as just that: opinion!

    I'm completely open to facts and look forward to seeing some proof. You act like I'm not.
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  14. DARKRYDER

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    Yes, it is my opinion that this battery is not water proof. Lil' Irv has presented some compelling information to support the theory that the Shorai does not have a sealed case. Tell you what Griz - I'll give Shorai a call this week to get the facts straight from the manufacturer and post back findings. Let's keep this thread on track please.
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  15. The Griz

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    I've read the thread that Lil' Irv has linked to. In that thread I see a lot of posts about cranking power and voltage measurements over time, using highly expensive and intricate tools, but NO proof about Shorai batteries being susceptible to water penetration.

    Tell YOU what: I'm not here to do your work for you. I'm here to point out that your opinion is not fact.... and to keep this forum as factual as possible for the masses. If you want to present factual evidence that Shorais are not waterproof by calling them and reporting your findings here, so be it.... and I am open to it....until then.....:*sip*:jkam:slurp:lurk
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    I had the same problems with the shorai in cold weather. if it dropped below freezing and it hadnt been ran in a week it would not always start my bike. I returned it and switched to Anit-Gravity lithium batteries which are incredible but expensive. I justified the cost because my shorai left me stranded in Taylor Park one night when the temps fell to 25 degrees. I had to wait till afternoon when the temps were back in the 60's. I lost half a day but could have been totally stranded if it never started.
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    AND the anti gravity batteries are waterproof!
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    you folks are making a mountain out of a molehill :lol3

    if you want to find out if your Shoria is waterproof .. simply dunk battery in a tub of water and watch for bubbles. Just dunked a Shorai LFX 21 for about a minute with balance port cap on. no bubbles came out. that doesn't mean Shorai is completely waterproof, but pretty darn close. note I have not dunked Shorai with balance port open.. that might let in water. but who cares, close your charge port before installing.

    if you are really worried about it, simply smear a bit of silicon on all seams. a non-existent problem solved :D

    Earth-X also survives the dunk test with no bubbles. have I dunked both batteries for say 20 minutes ... nope.. then I don't plan on leaving my bike under water for 20 minutes. should I drop it during a deep water crossing.

    let's address the real problem that I've seen in this thread ... which is too small LiFePO4 battery used for 990. LFX 18 is just to small for a 990. LFX18 might do the job when weather is warm and your bike is starting with a 1-2 second crank.

    LiFePO4 batteries amps delivered drops dramatically under large loads and when temps drop. LFX18 actual amp hour is about 4.6AH. not 18 amp hours as label indicates. almost all LiFePO4 mfg use a PB/EQ rating which doesn't tell what actual amp hour are ... LFX18 fails almost immediately under 200 amp load tests. (details in LiFePO4 testing thread)

    IMHO a major cause for LiFePO4 battery failures can be traced back to installing a battery too small. my recommendation for 990 is go with Shorai LFX24 for Starbuck duties. LFX36 for adventure duties to parts unknown. (edit: LFX36 is correct size for 990 but case size is too big to fit tiny battery tray)

    or Earth-X ETX24 for Starbuck duties, ETX36 for adventure duties to parts unknown.

    for LOTS more detailed technical info.. visit my LiFePO4 testing thread .. link in sig

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  19. The Griz

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    Now that's a perfect example of proof. Not just opinion and words. Thanks cy! :clap
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  20. Nailhead

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    I just checked Shorai's web site to compare case dimensions which for some odd reason they don't provide. How does the 36 compare to the 18 for fit in the 990's battery compartment?
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