Should I get ABS brakes?

Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by Shortyg83, Feb 9, 2017.

  1. Fattytwocakes

    Fattytwocakes Long timer

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    "Never mind when we are distracted by a pretty girl or maybe a cop or perhaps a scenic view. But mostly pretty girls."

    If you are distracted that easily maybe you are a "shit rider".:lol3 Not having a shot, just funning.:-)
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  2. dwizum

    dwizum Long timer

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    By that logic, there are two kinds of riders. Shit riders and liars.
  3. dwizum

    dwizum Long timer

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    Should I put a smiley on that post so everyone knows I'm funning too? Might be more funny to leave it a mystery.
  4. Fattytwocakes

    Fattytwocakes Long timer

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    Seems to cover everything though.
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    Ginger Beard I have no soul

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    Sounds about right
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  6. Fattytwocakes

    Fattytwocakes Long timer

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    Maybe a poll thread then. "Are you a shit rider or a liar"? The problem is that nobody will say that they are a shit rider so they will have to lie.:D Then we will have to assume that all the ones who voted liar are really shit riders who are lying. MMMM! There are some issues it seems with this idea. What about shit liars then?
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  7. canoeguy

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    What if you are a lying, shit rider? ETA: damnit I was beat in the post above me.

    My lie is about looking at pretty girls. The truth is the one time I screwed up royally there were no pretty girls around.
  8. Vertical C

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    If you have never crashed because of a pretty girl does that make you a skilled rider or gay?

    This is not serious
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  9. sloKRD

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    With regards to the statement by Aj Mick "ABS does nothing for manuverability" this is only partially correct. Motorcycling is fundamentally a balance problem and when the wheels stop turning your ability to balance is severely diminished. Can you balance your bike like a trials rider? This is fundamentally the situation you are in if your wheels aren't turning. ABS helps the rider maintain balance by keeping the wheels turning and this may enable you to maneuver. I agree wholeheartedly that rider skill and braking technique is paramount but when surprises happen on variable traction surfaces ABS can help keep you in balance.

    While in a training course we were doing braking drills and it took a good number of tries on the same tarmac to get right on the threshold of skidding the front tire but it was all too easy for the front to start skidding too. It took a bit to get the feel of that particular situation and I don't think it's reasonable, or possible, for most people to have the skills to get this right on the first time in a panic situation on an uncertain and variable road surface. I vote ABS.


  10. Vertical C

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    Trials riders have both wheels stopped not one

    I can lock a back wheel for metres on the dirt and I am no trial rider, locking the front is not that bad either

    People totally exaggerated the usefulness of abs again and again
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    BetterLateThanNever Been here awhile

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    I kinda think you're just screwing with us now.
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    Vertical C said:
    People totally exaggerated the usefulness of abs again and again

    It can't open a beer, or do my taxes ..WTF
  14. Dolly Sod

    Dolly Sod I want to do right, but not right now

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    The definitive answer to the OPs question is: Maybe.
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  15. dwizum

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    That's pretty open-ended. I think we need to talk about it for 32 pages.
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    PsySV1000s Been here awhile

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    I can honestly say I have never seen that before.
  18. pretbek

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    Has this ABS rider's test been discussed yet? (http://www.ibmwr.org/prodreview/abstests.html)

    It has 5 riders of different skill levels, from new guy to closed circuit road racer.
    They brake with and without ABS across a manhole cover on dry and wet surfaces.

    The road racer and the experienced road rider stopped 8 feet and 2 feet SHORTER without ABS than with ABS on the dry surface with a manhole cover, showing that great skill is better than ABS on a predictable surface.

    However, even the road racer (by far the most skilled in the group) stopped 100 feet longer without ABS than with ABS enabled on the wet surface with a manhole cover.

    So those who say that skill is very important and should not be ignored when you consider ABS: You are right.
    Those who say that even a very skilled rider is not better than ABS in varied and more treacherous conditions and situations: You are right.

    ABS seems to be a valuable additional safety tool in an unplanned situation and variable surface conditions.
    Just saying "adjust to conditions and pay attention so don't have such a situation" is skirting the issue; Such situations crop up when you ride on the road, you can't always fully control your entire situation. No one who was ever in a crash planned to be in it, and there are skilled riders among those that have been in crashes.
  19. dwizum

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    That's incredible. Like, literally unbelievable. I actually went and read the report just now, because I had assumed you'd made a typo. This is especially incredible considering they were doing these tests with very early motorcycle ABS systems in the 90's, not the newer more functional stuff you can get now.
  20. 131unlimited

    131unlimited Been here awhile

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    Current street bike has Brembo's with ABS, works great and I have no plans of ever going back to non-abs.