Should Lane Splitting be legal in all 50 States

Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by DAKEZ, Jul 9, 2008.

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Should Lane Splitting be legal in all 50 States?

  1. YES it should be made legal

  2. YES but ONLY on the Hwy

  3. YES but only for filtering at controlled intersections

  4. NO It is dangerous and should not be made legal

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  1. Rgconner

    Rgconner Long timer

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    Even better was when lane splitting and some asshat tried to cut me off... had to really slam the brakes and almost dropped the bike.

    Unknown to both of us, there was a CHP motorcycle cop right behind me!

    "You in the white Sierra, pull to the shoulder. Now. BMW rider, take care and be safe."
  2. DudeClone

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    i marvel somewhat at the amount of drivers that try to impede me daily. i mean, seriously folks. what kind of person is so miserable and resentful they think to block a motorcycle? i wish it was simply dumb on their part. but its not. its dangerous and they have no business doing it

    now, we pass hundreds, even thousands of cars a day. many never see us passing, and so many more are courteous rather then dangerous to us. the amount of people who "make room" is astounding. and as a rider i really do appreciate it

    but you know what? their are enough people who move over and try to block to notice. and its like i used to say about people in cars even when i drove a car. people are so brave when in their cars. these people i can assure you have quite serious issues with life

    trying to stop a motorcycle from passing, and putting the rider at danger. someone tried to swipe me the other day. two SUV's rode inward on me as i split between them. BOTH of them

    i would not bring it up if not for this thread and discussion. but i tend to look past these things when riding sometimes. because it happens a lot and is part of riding. and that is not going to ruin lane splitting for me. but honestly trying to hit or block a motorcycle on the road is an act of a sick mind. and WE always have to remember a few people are trying to hit us out there. with intent. and that is serious enough to consider every once in a awhile

    i don't get mad, really. i hardly give it a thought now when riding because it happens. i don't question it. but sometimes i do think who are you in there, and what is your problem? i've been yelled at by some of these maniacs, too

    wtf?
  3. catweasel67

    catweasel67 Honda XRV 750 RD04

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    I had someone actually pass, slow down, and then obstruct me yesterday....

    I shouted, flashed my lights, beeped my pathetic horn, gave him the ADV salute, shook my head in a disparaging way..

    and then I looked down...

    stupid non-cancelling indicators.
  4. SloMo228

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    Sitting in rush hour traffic yesterday, made worse by the fact that every single effing road is under construction now, I dearly wished for the ability to split lanes. There was so much room, just a perfect little private freeway right up the middle of the two lanes everyone was stuck in, and my air-cooled DR wasn't particularly enjoying just idling at a standstill. Fortunately, I got out of the jam before I started overheating, but if that had happened, I'd have probably just rolled up slowly to the front of the line. I'm not wrecking my engine just because everyone else is driving a cage and can't stand to be passed.
  5. k-moe

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    :nono

    CHP guidelines are not law.
    "Lane splitting in a safe and prudent manner is not illegal in the state of California." From: http://www.chp.ca.gov/programs/lanesplitguide.html

    Note the CHP does not claim that the practice is legal (there is a very real difference between being legal, and not being illegal (yay lawyer talk)).

    California statutes still do not address the legality of lane splitting. There is no law specifically addressing the practice. If you ride smartly, and in accordance with the CHP guidelines, you won't be hassled over it. But if you violate the guidelines you will cited for reckless riding, or not riding within the lane, or any number of other applicable moving violations.

    As a practical matter lane splitting is legal in CA; as a legal matter it isn't.

    Also of note: Local and county police forces are under no obligation to follow CHP guidelines.
  6. DudeClone

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    well lane splitting may not be legal, exactly. but law has been implemented against those who try to hurt us. they even have violation codes, so its official

    Intentionally blocking or impeding a motorcyclist in a way that could cause harm to the rider is illegal (CVC 22400).

    Opening a vehicle door to impede a motorcycle is illegal (CVC 22517)


    and that is written into the lane splitting"guidelines" and is addressing the practice, specifically. and it means a lot because when we say "legal" it means whereas before if a car door swung open and smashed our bike, a big gray area could very well be there. who was responsible? but those specific violations change that and mean splitters are doing something that is OK. hit us and try to blame us and those who are not smart enough to know the rider will win in court may lose their license and have other big surprises coming

    so, that is a ton on our side. the fact they have made it illegal to block us, or open a door on us. and when the insurance company gets word of the violation and....you get the picture.

    so "legal?" nope. but who needs them, anyway? this is a freedom issue and riders are free to do it within reason in California. we all understand that. their are road rules and guidelines for everything and everyone and every action on the road, including riders who lane split. lane splitting is not a violation of law, but blocking us legally is.

    sounds like we are free to split and are legally protected if someone hurts a rider splitting. its good no law exist in favor of it, because then it could be taken away. its best the way it is. its just done. and don't think you can rightfully hit me with your car. the state of California says you will pay. it does not have to be "legal" for the law to be squarely on our side. thats a good thing imo
  7. Kent Glasscock

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    Read the article and they reference the LaneSplittingIsLegal.com website. I checked it out and there was a part in there I didn't know about, and thats the AMA now starting to push for legislation in favor of lane splitting. Before, they were very quiet about the issue. I see this as a good thing.
  8. infinityedge

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    That is not how law works.

    If there isn't a law making something illegal, then it is legal.

    If there is no statute, regulation or ordinance with regards to lane splitting, then it is legal.
  9. Squidbrah

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    But you'd be damn sure some cop would give you a careless driving ticket if he saw you splitting in a state where there's no statute.

    It looks dangerous to people who aren't used to seeing it.
  10. k-moe

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    Exactly my point.
  11. khager

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    This sums it up nicely DudeClone!:deal

    A proposed bill to allow lane-splitting has come up a few times in the Texas Legislature in the past.
    The bill actually passed the State Senate, but never made it to the floor in the House, it died along with several hundred other bills which is typical when they get hung up on more important issues, like school finance and redistricting, same issues they get hung up on every session.

    I called my State Senator and she said she would vote for it , which she did. She had no feelings on it one way or another, and she had not even heard of it, as I was the only one who had called on it.

    Same with my State Rep, she said she would vote for it if it came up which it never did, she also didn't care one way or another.
    Too many other issues and this one is far under the radar, I don't think it will ever get changed here, and not because of any opposition to it. The Texas political process makes it damn near impossible to get any bill passed, good or bad.

    That being said up until 2 years ago I used to split everyday on my commute, morning and afternoon. Every once in a while a truck would try to block me, and more often someone would honk their horn to express their displeasure, and once someone took video of me with their cellphone, maybe they were amused, or maybe they were going to turn it into the POPO.:lol3 I seen other bikes split along this route too (I35W North FW), most didn't but it was starting to get fairly common before I moved.

    I have since moved, and with my new commute, I couldn't lane-split if I wanted to, not enough traffic. I tend to avoid crowded cities especially at the wrong time of day, but I will not hesitate to split again should the opportunity come up. :D

    Some laws are unjust, and I have given up trying to change them, we are a minority here in TX <5% in a sea of F250's. I think the only way to get it changed is for everybody to just start doing it, to get cagers used to it. I have seen a lot more riders doing it in the past few years in DFW, and as traffic gets worse and to the point of total congestion, I think you will see it more. The State Senator that wrote the bill cited that everyone was already doing it in Dallas, Austin Etc..., and there was no need to make lawbreakers out of these riders, he also said it would improve traffic flow. We are not as bad as LA yet, but since that is where it all started, I think that is how and why it started, riders just saying fuck the law I 'm not going to sit here till I have heat-stroke. I bet on a hot August day In Phoenix, Dallas, or Atlanta with a major wreck or traffic tie-up others have done the same. OK I am stepping down off my soapbox now!:lol3
  12. Aj Mick

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    In Thailand, here I live at present, motorcycle filtering / lane splitting / call it what you like is legal, the norm, and encouraged. In Japan it is the same, as I recall. It makes sense, and helps the traffic flow, especially where there are a large number of motorcycles.

    Some light controlled intersections have a box for motorcycles to filter into.

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    At those that don't, riders filter anyway.

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  13. Squidbrah

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    It's legal everywhere in the world except USA.


    Protect mah freedomz
  14. sdmichael

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    The most issue I have with lane-splitting here in California aren't the people that don't give room. It is with those that do give room. Most people seem to keep their lane and space. The ones that swerve as I arrive to "make room" are the ones I wonder about. How am I to tell the difference between this person "making room" and the other swerving due to phone/debris/coffee spill/...? It then makes it more difficult to tell if they actually saw me and won't just swerve back. I'd prefer drivers just stay where they are. Some of the ones that swerve just start driving in the shoulder... which only pushes more debris into the roadway! Simply put - I don't trust the "wavers" and those that "make room". Having been hit by someone else that was "waved out"... I tend to think it is a very unsafe and dumb move.
  15. DudeClone

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    well if they are swerving that is one thing, but i think its mostly safe to say if you are approaching, traffic is tight, and cars are just creeping along....if someone "moves over" right before you reach them they have "seen" you and are being courteous. you never want to count on this, of course, but most of the time its likely the case. i find a car moving out for me much better then one moving in, intentionally or not
  16. Chillis

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    I love lane splitting. When it gets hot in Las Vegas, you want to stay in motion. After a cop harassed me for doing it I stopped doing it all of the time. Now I only exercise it if people are dilly dallying.
  17. Aj Mick

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    As stated on a poster for the film Easy Rider:

    Two men riding across America looking for freedomÂ….. and they didn't find it anywhere.
  18. sdmichael

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    Where I find this "courteous" being odd is when the car in front of this person is much farther to the right, making any move this person made rather moot. I just assume everyone stays where they are and I'll figure things out. "Being nice" tends to end in problems on the road. A "nice" driver moving over on one side might end up squeezing another rider or colliding with another car, neither of which is beneficial for anyone.
  19. 131unlimited

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    As a rider living in the tri-state area of the northeast, I could not vote for legal lane splitting. We are all to agressive and insane as a group of people to be able to deal with motorcylese legally allowed to split lanes. They would simply be killed out on the roads here.
  20. DudeClone

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    you know this makes some sense. it is something i will always consider now when riding. i learn something everyday, it would seem

    however i still like it when they move. it makes me feel good. but with my new, more balanced outlook i will let it go so far, and never assume anything. after all no matter what i think i have no control over what they do. i can only SEE and react whatever i think