Show us your Raised DR650

Discussion in 'Thumpers' started by Inniswhe, Nov 3, 2012.

  1. Inniswhe

    Inniswhe Been here awhile

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    I recently started a thread asking if the DR650 would suit a tall guy , 6'3" who wants a more offroad bike as I am trying to decide what way to go a modded DR650 or something like the KTM 690 enduro.
    http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=837125&highlight=tall+folks

    Concensus seems that the DR650 works well with some mods. KTM 690 and other euro dual sports are taller and have great suspensions out of the box but I don't need all of the performance they offer, also they are pricey. Also I will still need to mod a KTM 690 substantially for my purposes, larger tank, small windshield or fairing, better seat. The only difference really mod wise with the DR650 is that would also need to upgrading the suspension on the DR.

    I don't like the low chassis setup stock and have been reading about the DR650 suspension mods that have been done to raise the bike and improve the suspension. If I go the DR650 route is there a relatively straightforward assembly approach to upgrading the front forks, rear suspension, and raising the bike ?
    I am not talkin just seat build up. I don't want to get into major machining exercises etc. looking for bolt up changes but this will be a winter project that part doesn't bother me .
    I searched on raising links, there seems to be different info, some says its possible to install others say they don't fit. Also I see the 18" wheel upgrade as a good method to raise a little.

    So what I am thinking is :
    Replace front fork with offroad forks - which one ?
    Replace rear shock - which one ?
    Raising link and 18" rear wheel ? Do I need to do both ?

    I would greatly appreciate it if people who have done similar, could post pics of their bike and describe what they did.

    If they could point me to links or bild threads that would great also.

    Thanks !
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  2. tdrrally

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  3. JensEskildsen

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    Downt own a Dr, but:

    A raisin link raises the bike yes, but it raises the entire bike, so you will still feel craped, just cramped with more ground clearence. :D

    You need to lower the pegs, which should be nice with a raised bike, as you'll still have a good amout of clearence between footpegs and ground.

    Hope it helps.
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  4. Inniswhe

    Inniswhe Been here awhile

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    I will still be installing lower pegs, I should have mentioned that in the original post. I always need to do that on pretty much every bike I have owned.
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  5. TooTallRacing

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    I'm 6'6" and recently purchased a DR-650. So far I have lowered the pegs, raised the handlebars and went to a CR high bend Renthal bar. All have been improvements but not quite the home run I was hoping for. I guess I'm used to my GS1200. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:eek:ffice:eek:ffice" /><o:p></o:p>
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    I wanted a KTM690 but was scared off at the price and perceived reliability issues. Next on the list was an XR650L. I tried to buy two different ones but title issues with the seller killed the deals. So I came across on a decent deal on a used but like new DR and bought it. The bike is fun and will do everything I want it to do but I kind of wish I would have held out for the Honda. (18" tire better suspension, taller seat height)<o:p></o:p>
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    I plan on upgrading the suspension and getting a better seat and then just live with it. It's really not that bad. I will be watching both of your threads for suggestions.<o:p></o:p>
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  6. Inniswhe

    Inniswhe Been here awhile

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    I too was looking at the Honda but it is short peg to seat without much option to lower the pegs . That is why I thought it would be better to raise the DR,lower the pegs , and improve the suspension. You would get the benefits of the honda (taller with good suspension) plus the smooth DR motor for the slab and roomier leg room

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  7. Kommando

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    DR-Z400 forks and shocks have been bolted onto DRs seemingly easily. So have RM250 forks and some models of WP forks from KTMs. I'm not sure what shocks will fit on a DR besides the DR-Z, but an 18" rim with a similar-or-taller sidewall tire will add some height in the rear. The suspension height isn't the big issue for comfort though. For that you'll want to increase the peg-to-seat distance. The main benefit of swapping suspension is that QUALITY of suspension can be much improved.

    Lower the rider pegs and build up the seat if you want to unkink your legs. Many brackets also move the pegs rearward a bit as well, to make standing easier. I also machined some pieces of 5/16"-thick flat stock into some lowering brackets for my passenger pegs. I can lower them 2" or 4", and now have a way to change my position on longer trips. I also have Happy Trails touring pegs bolted to my skid, so I can really stretch out and lay back if I want.

    Get taller bars and some bar risers if you want to be comfortable standing too.
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  8. Inniswhe

    Inniswhe Been here awhile

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    Anybody have any advice and pointers to the best raised suspension setup ?:clap:clap
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  10. Foot dragger

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    That's what I was going to say,raising a 400lb bike up taller will just make it more top heavy,leg reach to the ground isnt a real comfort thing,the closer to the ground the better for holding the heavy DR upright.
    If you want more ground clearance for off road,a KTM is already there and they fit taller people fine stock.
    Changing forks and raising the rear end up would do who knows what to the handling of the DR.
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  11. Inniswhe

    Inniswhe Been here awhile

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    Its been done before by several folks with good results as I understand. There are scattered postings. I was trying to determine the most straight forward and generally accepted approach.
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  12. ER70S-2

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    USD forks will add height, but many come from smaller MX bikes (RMZ125-250 for instance). There have been a few comments about a reduction in front brake power with smaller rotors. Pay close attention to a replacement that has a 320mm rotor available from 'someone'. I say 320mm cause it's really, really better. :nod

    Cogent can modify a stock rear shock to fit your needs.

    http://www.bing.com/search?q=motocd.com&q=motocd.com&src=IE-SearchBox
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  13. el capitan

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    Don´t worry about the handling, as long as you keep the back of the bike high enough. I had modded my DR with a stiffer spring AND raising links for additional 30 mm (1,2") ride height, then tried the stock links again. And instantly disliked the handling with the fork sporting stiffer springs but being otherwise stock. Back to the raising links and it´s my ride again! It handles with minimal steering input, but remains well planted even at top speeds - and that´s the way I like my bikes.
    For me the main problem of a better fork would be to get that handling again.You really have to be long-legged if you add travel to the front and height to the back of the bike.
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  14. Inniswhe

    Inniswhe Been here awhile

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    El Capitan,

    Thanks for your comments. Did you just raise the rear only with raising links and stiffer spring or did you modify the front forks as well with a spring change ?
    All of the threads I have read seem to be rather complicated fork retrofits requiring quite a bit of fine tuning to get the handling back , which is beyond my knowledge/skills.

    I am looking for more of a straight forward solution, something that I can do with a few component changes to simply raise the bike and improve the suspension. Can you provide any more details on what you did exactly ? Where did you get the raising links ?

    today I went back and looked at a local XR600L again and I do think I can make that bike fit. It has a compact seating position with bars really close but I am comfortable flat footing that bike. I think I could replace the bars/risers and seat and get a reasonable fit on the honda. I looked closely at the footpegs and I think I could lower the pegs a good inch or so without beling below the frame. It would require some welding but that is low tech compared to trying to sort out handling if I get into major suspension mods on a DR.

    Tough to decide which is a better platform to start with.
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    As much as I hate to say this, if I had your inseam, I'd be riding a @#$%& KTM. :cry
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  16. el capitan

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    Hi Inniswhe,

    I bought the raising links from ebay Germany for about 35 bucks (http://www.ebay.at/itm/Heckhoherlegung-Hoherlegung-Suzuki-DR650-DR-650-/200398752189?pt=Motorrad_Kraftradteile&hash=item2ea8b249bd9, postage to the US will be 8 $)) and they add 30 mm to the rear (1,2"). What I did to my suspension is:

    FRONT:
    Replace springs with stiffer progressive Wilbers, replace stock oil with 10w, leave an air-chamber of 165 mm (6,2")

    REAR:
    Replace spring with stiffer Wirth, replace stock oil in damper with that same 10w I had left over from the forks. I had to fully open compression dampening afterwards @ 180 lbs naked weight, but the limp stock rebound now is spot-on. My guess is that you could use 7.5w oil instead and maintain a rest of adjustability for your compression without sacrificing the good rebound.

    This really isn´t rocket-science: 1 hour of work but a rewarding one ridewise! I described it on http://drriders.com/topic2041.html and a second rider added some pics, so this could help you some.
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  17. ram1000

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    MY bike has 2007 RMZ forks which came stock with .47 springs and I find them just a little stiff for trail riding, but right on for bombing across whoops with a 400# bike. I had to raise the back end about an inch to get the correct steering angles back when installing the 12" travel front end. I did this by sending the shock off to Cogent and he extended both the internal travel and external eye to eye length of the shock giving me another inch +- in height and travel. The bike turns in as good as stock but I would still prefer a little more turn in on the front for handling like a motocross bike. On the road it is just as good as the stock set up. Since this picture I made some brackets to lower the foot pegs about 3/4" and I no longer feel the cramping in my knees on long days. I ride this bike on Adv rides sometimes cruising over 1000 miles on a weekend, but it also serves as a trail bike when I ride with the motorcycle club out of Boise. The bike also has a built motor, and RMZ front wheel with an after market 270mm disk conversion as the RMZ stock disk was a little lacking at 250mm. It is fine now. The seat height is currently 36" with static sag set at about 1 t0 1.25 inches sag.

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  18. el capitan

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    Hey ram1000, if you ever get bored of your suspension you are welcome to send it over the big pond! :lol3
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    thats a super nice setup!
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    Since the pic I have extended my kickstand and installed a Uly headlight. Its winter here so I'm stripping the bike down to the frame to clean all the stuff up and ill be painting the frame hammertone silver. I also have it wired for a heated liner, and had to install a Vapor speedo.
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