Sibirsky Extreme 2012 - The Toughest Ride of Them All

Discussion in 'Epic Rides' started by Colebatch, Oct 18, 2012.

  1. C/W

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  2. Colebatch

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    Your clothes dry pretty quickly. Getting them soaked thru is a good way to keep em reasonably clean :1drink. And it keeps you cool on a hot day.

    Your feet are constantly wet from all the river crossings anyway ... and thats the only part that isnt dry in an hour. Its not something that worries me or bothers me. I take my jacket off cause my ipod and mobile phones are in there ... getting wet I dont care about. Its very much part of the deal ... you do the BAM, you are going to get wet, and you are going to have wet feet most of the time.
  3. ciedema

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    Would you consider it with floats similar to the one MetalJockey or the Moto Syberia guys have used in the past?
  4. ROD CURRIE

    ROD CURRIE Been here awhile

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    Guys. Get a look at these reports. This is extreme ADVing without a safety net.
    They're in Russian but Google Translate will give a you a reasonable though literal feel for the trip. If you write in a chatty way with slang thrown in it won't come through the tool as well as if you write very carefully, but when she wrote it she doubtless wouldn't be thinking about an audience as international as this one.
    This is one tough and resourceful little dame...and we, I'm afraid are pussies! :lol3

    This exemplifies what's great about this forum...it smashes down the barriers of international misunderstanding and gives us a feeling of kinship and understanding with this little woman we'll never meet-but we know exactly what makes her tick.
    ADVRider should be required reading in schools...but then the outback would be full of the lippy little feckers and we wouldn't have it to ourselves...Yer just can't win!:wink:
  5. Colebatch

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    I have spoken with Mac about it in the past. I would need to talk to him again and get a much better feel for his opinion on them before considering it with any seriousness. Last time I spoke to him about it, the impression I got from him was that it made for great pictures but was a pain in the a$$, massively time consuming, and not particularly practical.

    I would add that at the same time as Mac was developing his floaties (2009), Sasha Teplyakova was also developing floats ...

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    Yet I also note that despite also being a pioneer of this concept back in 2009, she did not use floats in 2010 when she did the eastern BAM, despite a season of development and testing.
  6. EtronX

    EtronX Been here awhile

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    There are two major issues with floats like this.

    • First of course is the bulk and the weight.
    • Second is the current in the rivers. Some are pretty tranquil, but some are fierce. You would end up miles downstream :eek1
  7. beat

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    if you build it right, it ain't wider
    mine fits trough a door with the boxes on...
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    mmm interesting and they seem better than both the MJ and the MS setups.
  9. Tony P

    Tony P Doddery Old Fart

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    Width is not the whole story. Ground clearance can come into it.




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    What the photo does not show too well is the height of the top of the sleepers on bridges above the concrete side path. This was usually level with my footpegs - a foot (30cm) or so?.


    In 2009 I regularly removed my metal boxes and took them across such bridges on foot (or my man, Bongo, did!) then I went back to ride the bike.

    Even without the metal side panniers, at the regular triangular support panels I often had to lean the bike to wriggle the footpegs through the reduced gap.


    Except possibly saving the walk first, having the slimmest of boxes would not have helped. A higher ground clearance/footpeg height than the Dakar had would have though.
  10. El Saguaro

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    Walter, EntronX, Have you ever considered using canyoneering shoes plus neoprene socks? like these:

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  11. Colebatch

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    No. Because I want the support of motocross boots. Additionally you cant stand up on footpegs all day without rigid soles - ideally with a metal rod running thru the sole.

    I have never worn neoprene socks for a month on end but I cant imagine its good for your feet.

    Again , I dont have a problem with wet feet inside mx boots. Its part of the bam experience.
  12. Pamirski

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    Perhaps a word on weather, this concerns also the clothing-discussion.
    The weather in the region between Baikal and Tynda can be really as bad as you can possibly imagine. In 2011 I turned back, also because of week-long bad weather. This year before arriving at the BAM I checked always my favourite spot (Novaja Chara) about the weather. The three weeks before arrival the prognostics never had some sun on the radar. I was so lucky, the rain stopped just, when I arrived at Kuanda and until Tynda no drop would fall anymore. The people at the BAM told me, that it had been rainy for quite some time. Perhaps they exagerated a little bit (I heard of periods of 4 weeks, 6 weeks and 2 months of rain), but perhaps Walter will still show some marks, that prove that this summer has seen floods, that come only every 20 years. In Chara I was told, that the connection between old and new town had been cut.
    In such a weather you won't get warm and dry anymore and every river crossing (if possible) is something you want to avoid. And be also aware of the puddles, they can literally eat a motorrider, you don't know how deep they are.
    You won't get a guarantee to get through at ideal conditions for the whole stretch by looking at the forecast (when it is good, you first have to get to the BAM). Of course locals have some suggestions when to drive, but every summer can be different.
  13. EtronX

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    Nope. You need solid boots for protection. If I didn't have my cross boots when I toppled over and did the submariner in the river, there is a great risk I would have injured my foot

    Again, wet feet is no problem. In the morning they look OK again. You can, as Walter and Terry does, use SealSkinz waterproof socks. Your boots are wet, but feet stay dry. Until the next deep river of course :D
  14. bob66

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    After ~3 weeks I finally got to an end with reading this RR. I'm interested in details about Altai and Tuva track (this summer I want to go there). I will PM you Walter to ask a few questions.

    Great RR :clap, waiting to see what's next.

    Bob
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    And as we keep saying, everything has to be carried-so you have 2 sets of footwear...your moto-boots, and one other that has to fulfill every other use....usually-but not always-sandals. If one took everything...or even half the things one might conceivably need...hammer, saw, axe, spares-(a vice!) clothing variants, more detailed maps, you'd need a support vehicle following (and I'm not saying that's wrong-it's just not what this group want)or have a bike so heavy...

    Said it all before.
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    Each morning, I get up, fire up the computer and check this report out while coffee is brewing. I stand amazed. Now, I just have to read about the woman rider. There are just some amazing people in this world that I never heard of till ADV Rider. :clap:clap:clap
  17. NoLurkerAnymore

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    So true. This is absolutely amazing!!!
  18. Colebatch

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    Right back to the story ...

    By now we had just unloaded from the truck that had given us a ride across the Kuanda river. It was about 7:30 pm.

    We were not going to get to a hotel tonight ... next one would be at Chara, about 160 km away.

    I told the guys I knew where there was a rail station in the middle of nowhere where we might be able to put sleeping bags indoors away from the mosquitoes. Balbukhta, about 35 km away on the road. We should be there in an hour, have enough time to get sorted for the evening.

    We reached Balbukhta and I stuck my head in the station (which was in a building the size of school sports hall literally in the middle of nowhere) and asked is we could stay the night. The lady was kind enough to offer us tea and biscuits but said that they had to lock the station up empty in about 15 minutes ... a local train was coming to collect them and take them back to Kuanda where the staff live. It seemed we would need to camp in the station forecourt.

    I have no pics of the station or our camping are, but I am hoping the Norwegian guys have some pics or video stills or something.

    EtronX had his tent up in 5 minutes and went to bed ... he sleeps and wakes early.

    Terry went to investigate the sound of running water, taking his wash kit with him. When he hadnt returned in 10 minutes I went to check on him and found a great camping and cooking area by a beach besides a beautiful mountain river. With almost no bugs or mosquitoes (unlike 100 yards away up at the station). Terry had been washing himself in the chilly river.

    I went back to get Erik and Steve and told them to bring cooking equipment food etc ... and we had a great night out by the river there.

    Someone took a few pics of the scene ... I think it was Steve. Steve, you got anything?
  19. Dahveed

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    I think the prevailing wisdom from US military forces operating in Jungle/rain forest environments was to NOT wear socks in their boots. Socks just keep your feet from ever drying out in your boots and that leads to fungus problems.

    Anyway, back to the epic story!
  20. Saso

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