Side View Mirror Went Buh-Bye

Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by DudeClone, Dec 3, 2013.

  1. DudeClone

    DudeClone Long timer

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    Hi Guys

    I fought the law but who won?! :1drink

    Im sure this has happened to many others but this was my first. I was riding along in California, splitting my way home. A car ahead, stuck in miles of traffic, decides to stop me, and squeezes in on me. Now, I didn't want to get closer as I rode beside the car, but the driver seemed to want to. Guess the driver forgot its mirrors stick out like big ears. I rode past and BLAM! Last thing I saw was a side view mirror dangling off a door and 10 seconds later I am 20 cars ahead and past a red light the offending car is stuck behind.

    I pull off several blocks up the road for a nice coffee and donut. :D

    But what to do, guys? Pretty sure i know what the law says but I am not down with that when dealing with a-holes trying to squish me on the road. Do I stop in the middle of the street and deal with the driver? Pull off and try to reason with them while explaining it is unlawful and reckless to try to block me? I am outside and vulnerable and once out of sight decided to stay out of mind. Of the driver, that is.

    I parked behind the coffee shop and switched my jacket. Gone underground. :nod

    I figure I am insured, the driver is insured. All is fair in love and war and riding, right? Right!?

    idk? Hoping I did the smarter, safer thing by continuing on my way and as riders some might agree. No doubt the driver was trying to stop me, resentful. So, what to do?
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  2. Vertical C

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    What will happen to the next bike splitting?
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  3. DudeClone

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    I don't know I hope the driver will not do this anymore. I mean perhaps they will make room, instead? And tell their families and coworkers how their actions lost 'em a mirror.

    Making bonehead moves like that can get a rider injured badly. Even at low speed. If only some drivers could understand riders are not trying to offend them or upset them by riding past. Why do some try to block us?

    I didn't want to smash into the mirror. In fact i was riding by and it sort of hit me. Like in basketball when a guy blocks the ball handler. In this case I am the ball handler heading toward the hoop and a mirror just drops in my way and expects me to stop.

    Not gonna happen, most likely.
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  4. livo

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  5. ozmoses

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    Getting squeezed used to piss me off.

    Riding the line you could see "that guy" up ahead looking in his side view who would pull slightly to the left-especially at a bridge toll. Never took off a mirror though I was tempted.

    Sometimes there'd be The Guy who was watching in the side view and would pull slightly right.

    That was a couple decades ago and I'm sure there are more of "that guy" vs The Guy now.
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  6. JimVonBaden

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    I'm pretty sure you are at fault for hitting him. The law doesn't preclude splitting, but it is definitely up to the splitter to do it without hitting other vehicles.

    Jim :brow

    PS I know this will not be a popular thing to say on a MC forum, but it is true IMHO.
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  7. Gripsteruser

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    What makes you think the other guy is insured?

    Would have been better to just readjust the aim of his mirrors - oh well.
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  9. el queso

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    And you're proud of this? :dizave
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  10. DAKEZ

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    He was an :asshat Don't worry about it. ... But be mindful on that commute in the future... He may see you coming again and be more aggressive next time.
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  11. Anorak

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    I had someone pull into my lane as I was merging, the mirror on the car exploded when the bar end hit it. I broke a finger and bent the handle bar when A mini van eased over on me and I took out the tail light. The I-ABS might have been involved, thought. It was before the recall to install the check valve at the front master cylinder. The brake level went solid and no braking occurred.
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  12. adam71

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    Speaking from professional experience:

    If you had stopped-
    The driver of the car would have been found at fault for making an unsafe turning movement. 22107 CVC. Infraction

    Since you fled-
    Because of the fact you fled the scene of a collision with visible damage, you would have been found in violation of hit and run. 20002 CVC. Misdemeanor.
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  13. slartidbartfast

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    Need the OP to provide more info. Did he knock the mirror off deliberately or by accident? The story reads to me as if knocking the mirror off was not deliberate. Most likely it was not damaged anyway and the driver merely had to snap it back on.

    I rode through London one time on my XS650, lane splitting all the way. Several times, my GF on the back gave me a big punch between the shoulder blades. She only told me later that she kept hitting her knees on mirrors. I had got so used to the notion that if my handlebars would go through a gap, I was good, and hadn't realized that she was now the widest part of the bike.
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  14. D R

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    Did you tell your girlfriend that?
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  15. ShaftEd

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    It sounds like the driver was deliberately trying to squeeze you out and not let you by. I would consider that an assault with a deadly weapon (car) and all bets are off for being civilized at this point. You must remove yourself from a dangerous situation, which is exactly what you did. It would also have been no use to try to talk to him at a later point, since he already tried to do you harm. I would definitely be careful and keep an eye out for further issues from this guy during your commutes in the same area.
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  16. DudeClone

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    oh no, no deliberate at all. and maybe for all the action going on the mirror did in fact not break? i know the glass did not. and you are right, these days the housings are made to twist and turn and snap around in all directions. so maybe it was just knocked for a violent loop and was indeed back in place as i rode by. at glance it sure looked f'd, though

    but i in fact tried to avoid it. could not do it. interesting to note my hand didn't hit it although on the grip, obviously. so perhaps the brake handle hit it? no damage on either so can't tell

    guess i feel OK about it now that i've slept on it. i saw the drivers eyes as we are told to look at in their mirrors. i know they saw me and moved in intentionally. as said the mirror sort of did cut me off, silly as that might sound. nowhere to move, they just angled the car my direction as they crept along. and not in a subtle manner. happened in seconds, of course. but a lot happens in seconds when riding. especially accidents and things
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  17. feathered

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    :rofl

    Eye contact does not mean they see you. That's a good way to get run over. Watch the wheels.

    If you felt 100% OK about it, you wouldn't have made this thread or continued with all this rationalization about whether the mirror was really damaged (could you tell this looking backwards at it for 2 seconds?) :deal. My own confession: I once clipped a mirror splitting in SF and rode on before I really processed what happened. It wasn't right, next time I'll stop.

    Relatedly, how often are these people actually trying to smash up a motorcycle? I think that is a little insane for most people. The simplest explanation is that they're an inattentive driver drifting or thinking about squeezing into a different lane. Although they certainly have a reason to hate motorcycles now :)
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  18. High Country Herb

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    Bingo.

    Pull over, and call it in as an assault, since he tried to run you off the road. With no proof of intent, it would be reduced to a ticket for unsafe turning. More importantly, the incident would scare him straight and provide an opportunity for him to be educated on the legality of lane splitting.

    All that said, you probably did the safest thing. If you had pulled over, he could have rammed you with his car, or chose some other form of road rage.
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  19. JimVonBaden

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    Not nearly enough info to find fault. That said, if the driver was in his lane, how can he be at fault? Maybe the guy next to him swerved a bit to avoid a pot hole and he swerved in reaction?

    This is one of the reasons lane splitting is only not illegal in one state IMHO.

    Jim :brow

    PS I am not against lane splitting.
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  20. DudeClone

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    well it does not mean they see you, but it does mean they can see you. when lane splitting i am always looking in front of me as that is where i am going and i notice the eyes of drivers as i come upon them. they are often startled but these were steady

    i did not feel 100% ok about it when i made the thread. but as i posted above i am ok with it now, the next day. i am using the thread to rationalize some things, yes. as a rider. and taking in the opinions of others. the car moved readily over the white line as i came to pass although surrounded by other cars. it got some damage for being inattentive, dumb, or reckless one way or another. i am a careful rider which is why the offending car's mirror got whacked and not the innocent car to my left where i was being aggressively pushed for whatever reason. doesn't matter the reason, there it is all the same

    will i stop next time? i will take it as it comes but do not expect it to come very often. i am inches from cars for miles and miles on my daily commute so hitting mirrors should be least on my mind. the risks, whatever they are, come with the territory

    i'm all rationalized out, now :norton
    yeah its really not that big a deal, the lane splitting. all kinds of dangers on the road for all of us. and as i posted above just a couple inches more room and i don't hit anything. heck, an inch more room. but it is what it is out there sometimes, i suppose
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