Side View Mirror Went Buh-Bye

Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by DudeClone, Dec 3, 2013.

  1. JimVonBaden

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    Why didn't you say it crossed the white line in your first post? Are you just saying that now to rationalize YOUR mistake?:deal

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  2. bwalsh

    bwalsh UUU, UUU!!!

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    The irony(and arrogance) is thick in this sentence. Well done! :lol3
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  3. feathered

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    True enough, but it's cold comfort to know 'that guy COULD have seen me' as you're flying through the air. Again, even if they're steadily staring at you, it doesn't mean they actually see/register that you are there.

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  4. erkmania

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    I was commuting one day on my '07 RT and had a guy with a brand new truck veer into my path from my right as I was approaching during a lane split; legal in CA. He returned to his lane and then rethought the situation.

    The truck driver (I didn't mention that the truck was new enough to have paper plates.) then pulled across my bow into the #1 lane to my left. I was forced to hit the brakes to interrupt the impending collision.

    "Shit! That was deliberate!"

    Cued by the memory of a friend (during a similar circumstance we encountered together when he was in the lead), I slapped the truck's right outer mirror as hard as I felt I could without causing me personal injury.

    I looked in my left mirror to see the damage. I didn't see any, but my goal was to cause paint damage to the a-pillar. He totally deserved it.

    I would do it again given the same circumstances.

    I did look for him from that time forth, but I never saw him again.
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  5. scootrboi

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    Quite a different world than central Vermont. The only lane splitting I do is when traffic is stopped. Then I do it slowly, on the shoulder. We don't have the wide open spaces here, turns and hills are fairly constant. But mainly the attitude expressed here is alien. If I got assertive in traffic, I would be setting myself up for some surprises 'down the road.' I experience my share of scares while driving, but avoid the role of punisher because I am so vulnerable on a bike. Buckminster Fuller once said, "If you are going to impute malice in the actions of others, you will never get anywhere in your thinking."
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  6. Pecha72

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    I think it´s pretty hard to be certain about that. For one thing I´d like to hear the car driver´s version of this.
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  7. erkmania

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    At least I got home safely with my way of thinking. :deal

    But, I largely agree with the sentiment. It's just that sometimes an ass needs a 2 x 4 upside the head to get its attention.

    "Quite a different world..."

    Indeed. :cry
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  8. windmill

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    A few thoughts,

    Are you certain it was intentional? it's not unusual for drivers to drift in the direction they're looking.

    The squeeze, intentional or unintentional, if done ahead of you where you can see it coming would place the responsibility on the rider to not continue splitting. Pressing an unsafe split is illegal and foolish.

    If the squeeze was intentional and aimed at you rather than ahead of you, that's a sign of a seriously dysfunctional person, not stopping is reasonable, and the law allows for that, but you are still responsible to report it.
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  9. stoke

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    Just keep going. Most of the drivers down here honestly don't give a shit about anything except their own self interest and will lie to cops and insurance companies if you stop and will try to blame you in any case.

    If they hit you, you're fucked and they might have a few new scratches. You are ok as a motorcyclist to keep going on a karma basis.

    I have had several drivers swerve at me while lanesplitting, deliberately. They're just pissed you're saving time and they're not. Fuck em, they just threatened my life. Tried stopping one time at a light with one asshole and it did not end well. The guy actually thought it was ok to almost hit me on purpose-never even touched him, just passed him in stopped traffic.

    I also have dragged plastic givi panniers and clipped more than my share of mirrors. Kept going, as I know the drivers will lie and attempt to scam my insurance company. Welcome to Socal.
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  10. windmill

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    Sounds like you fit right in there......... :norton

    Don't get mad, you posted it, I didn't. :deal
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  11. Platinumgrit

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    Yeah, I can tell pretty reliably who are the deliberate swervers and who aren't. I've had my fair share of people swerve at me while lane splitting, and I used to really not see any reason other riders made such a big deal about it.

    But one incident changed my mind. I was following my mate home from work (we were flatmates) and he had his girlfriend on the back. He was in front. We were approaching the Sydney Harbour Bridge in peak hour traffic, all the cars were banked up and were practically stationary. The temperature was somewhere around 35-37 degrees, height of the Australian summer. It was HOT.

    Just as he was passing some stationary cars, the car on the left moved over deliberately to narrow the gap. We don't have very wide lanes in Australia, so the gap was already pretty small. There was little to no time for my mate to stop, so the bike got jammed. His girlfriend started screaming like mad, as the reason for the bike being stuck became instantly clear: it was her legs. They were crushed between both cars and the bike.

    The bitch in the car who closed the gap obviously didn't think. She was boxed in on all sides. Traffic wasn't even moving She moved her car back after both my mate and his girlfriend beat and beat on it but I still remember the absolute rage I felt at how deliberately that murderous hoe had closed the gap.

    She'd obviously acted impulsively out of anger without any rational thought. No-one would be stupid enough in the given gridlock to do that if they just thought for a split second. But these swervers don't think, that's precisely why they're so dangerous.

    People who are angry enough to swerve at you, to act on road-raging impulses will do all kinds of things in the heat of the moment. And after their stupidity causes an injury they will lie and lie and lie. They feel not a twinge of guilt putting all the blame on you.

    We have a road rage epidemic here in Sydney, we've had road rage attacks end up in death numerous times. *I've* taken out a few mirrors during commutes because a gap's been closed on me, and it's a hard choice to make in a split second: brake like hell and get hit, or keep going and pray for the best. Often it's no more than a split second you've got, and the best you can do is swerve a bit. I don't think anyone with even a quarter of a brain could say I was selfish, arrogant, foolish or otherwise in those situations. There was absolutely no intent on my part to break mirrors. If someone moves their car so a part of my bike hits their mirror, and I do my best to avoid it... I've done my best. Full stop.

    As far as suggestions I should pull over and swap details, whatever, I can say with certainly should someone demostrate they will move their car as a weapon to harm me, I'm not pulling over to have a chat. I'm not going to be in the next newspaper report of road rage in Sydney if I can help it.
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  12. Pecha72

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    "Just as he was passing some stationary cars, the car on the left moved over deliberately to narrow the gap. We don't have very wide lanes in Australia, so the gap was already pretty small. There was little to no time for my mate to stop, so the bike got jammed. His girlfriend started screaming like mad, as the reason for the bike being stuck became instantly clear: it was her legs. They were crushed between both cars and the bike"

    Don't mean to sound like I'm preaching here, but if there was no time to stop, I think it is highly likely that the rider went too fast between those stationary cars, compromising the safety of those on board. Not saying it makes cutting you off excusable, but it's always the bikers who get hurt in a contact like this, so ride accordingly.

    You do see bikers go stupid fast between stopped (or slow-moving) cars a lot, though.
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  13. JimVonBaden

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    Riders like you embarrass me!

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  14. stoke

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    I was filtering to the red light and someone crept over in stopped traffic. Happened right when I was going by. If I stopped, then I'm fucked. So I just gassed it. Givi's are soft plastic, no harm done and I have since downsized to boxes no wider than my handlebars.

    Yep, you nailed it. These people aren't thinking at all, so why would you try to talk to them? They just endangered your LIFE on purpose! I did, one time, and the guy wanted to fight me, call the police, etc, etc. Just go. Also, I lived in Aus for two years. The road rage thing there is impressive. Seriously. I don't know what is going there.


    You don't live in California. Come and commute here daily in a major city and get back to me on that one. I've read the rules and regs on lanesplitting here and am not going too fast or trying to split when I don't fit. Some cagers are just out to get you and as mentioned above, aren't thinking at all.
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  15. erkmania

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    Yes. I considered the initial lane change as an "oops(!)" by the driver. I was certain that the second lane change into my path was intentional. His intentions were so apparent to me that I almost thought that he mouthed the words, "but, I am bigger than you."

    I can brush off most anything while splitting because I consider that I have the greater responsibility when I lane split. This was the very first time I responded to any driver in such a manner.

    To me, this was an "over-the-top" affair.

    Thanks for the polite question.
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  16. Gimpinator

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    I'm in SoCal and commute most days on the busy 405. I've only had one serious attempt to take me out in the last 50K miles. Fortunately the guy gave himself away by creeping a bit, before suddenly crossing the double yellow (carpool lane // left lane) and then violently swinging back over again. There was no doubt about the intent of that act. He was watching me in his mirror the whole time.

    I had better brakes and reflexes than he did. I just hung back a bit and let him think he had won. Eventually the asshat got boxed in by other cars and I split into another lane to zip by. A little nod and a wave and I was on my way.

    Lane-splitting is the ultimate privilege. Getting away with murder every day does wonders for your patience.
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  17. windmill

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    And thanks for equally polite response. :beer

    Threads like this often leave unanswered questions as they are from one persons perspective. Your responses give the impression that you were indeed the victim of unintended or provoked circumstances. Too often it becomes evident the "victim" is their own worst enemy.
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  18. fallingoff

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    yeh good post.
    its just part of being on a bike, drivers get jealous, when I get into a conversation with one of the one's who don't like you going past them, I explain riding a bike is more dangerous, you get cold/hot, you get wet etc.
    but sometimes you can get through traffic quicker.
    I lose the discussion every time. lol
    just take care,
    merry xmas/
    cheers
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  19. ChaoSS402

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    Popular or not, it's true.


    Bikes need to realize that it is not the responsibility of the cagers to be out of your way. If they try to hit you, then that's a problem, but if they try to block you out, that's another thing entirely.

    When I'm driving, there are times when I intentionally block people out from doing things that put me in an awkward spot, a lot of times when someone is trying to pass me when they don't have time to pass me before the lane ends, i'll block them out, but it's done before they are put into a dangerous spot by my maneuver. I don't try to kill people.


    OP, if you could have slowed and instead you decided to go into a spot that you couldn't fit, you are an ass, and you are responsible for the collision. Add to that a hit and run, so congrats on posting it all online.
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  20. DudeClone

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    merry christmas and shut your pie hole. do you even ride? you dare tell me of conditions on the road without even being there? how do you know what i could have done? i could have slowed? even though the original post is long this took two or three seconds to transpire. a lot can happen on the move in 2 or 3 seconds as i stated in another post. i did not "decide to go into a spot" i could not get into. i was in the spot and rolling by! and i did "fit" in the spot as is evidenced by the fact i rode through it. the driver simply did not count on its mirror getting hit, and i did not mean to hit it. but yeah, i certainly fit. oh, and not only have i confessed to a "hit and run" online (lol) i also rob banks in my FF helmet and occasionally dismount my bike and smash in the windows of range rovers with it!! :rofl


    "IF i could have slowed?" i could not. as i rode by the mirror sort of hopped out in front of me. i did not know i would hit it. i mean should not the driver think of its own mirrors if doing such a thing? why do you think i need to mind their mirrors in this circumstance?

    do you ride in cali? drive in cali? if you ever do just stay out of our way, ok. look at 1, 2, and especially 3. now who's the ass? :kat

    1) Lane splitting by motorcycles is not illegal in California when done in a safe and prudent manner.

    2) Motorists should not take it upon themselves to discourage motorcyclists from lane splitting.

    3) Intentionally blocking or impeding a motorcyclist in a way that could cause harm to the rider is illegal (CVC 22400)

    4) Opening a vehicle door to impede a motorcycle is illegal (CVC 22517).

    5) Never drive while distracted.

    6) You can help keep motorcyclists and all road users safe by:

    Checking mirrors and blind spots, especially before changing lanes or turning
    Signaling your intentions before changing lanes or merging with traffic
    Allowing more following distance, three or four seconds, when behind a motorcycle so the motorcyclist has enough time to maneuver or stop in an emergency
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