Sidecar info good bad and BS Where's it From ?

Discussion in 'Hacks' started by davebig, Sep 3, 2013.

  1. davebig

    davebig Another Angry Hun !

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    Fellow inmates I started on advrider in the GS forum but there was so much bullshit and unhelpful crap there that I gave up and figured stuff out myself.

    The Hacks forum is better but not as much as I'd hoped, but then again it's the internet no one knows anything about whom they're communicating with.That's why we check each others profile.I used to be a mechanic but I retired from the USPS, I'm not an Engineer just a poor struggling inmate with some mechanical apptitude.
    Swaybars been on automobiles both racing and touring for years,put one on your sidecar rig and learned men come out againest such things , some of the learned men are good fellows.Others are repeating something someone told them, cause someone had their confidence.
    Be careful where you get your info I've heard people quote alleged BMW dealers giving out very inaccurate information.
    Of course we are all products of our learning history. I didn't know shit about sidecars bought one on the owners say it was professionally assembled, it was and still had 20" of wheel lead and was almost unsteerable .WTF do any of these guys have any integrity ? I hadn't done my home work.
    I still don't know shit :lol3 but I am a quick study and willing to attempt to understand things, like Strong Bad I have some excellent references his are better though.
    Automotive wheels and tires what's with fear and loathing there ? The Europeans been using them forever. EML EZS they last a long time much longer than motorcycle tires.
    What's anyone else think advrider/hacks/ fountain of info ? entertainment ? everyones a saint ? Everyones a Troll ? Everything here is the gospel ? DB

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  2. Dan Alexander

    Dan Alexander Ride Far - Ride Fast

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    All that and then some :lol3
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  3. claude

    claude Sidecar Jockey

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    The internet may be the information highway but sometimes the info is questionable....sometimes not . Weigh it all and choose your opinion based on what you feel. Someone once said that the school of experience is a good institution but the tuition can be high. So, learning from others is not a bad thing IF the source is good and hopefully motivated by experience. Are we having fun yet?
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  4. TouringDave

    TouringDave Tri Moto Veritas

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    As my suspension engineer said to me recently..

    "I hope you really don't listen TOO much to people on forums, you really should take 90% of it as bullsh*t and 9% with a large grain of salt. The last 1% will hold some truth/facts to it."

    Good advice I thought.
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  5. cleatusj

    cleatusj Dirt floor engineer

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    I am convinced there is very great amount of excellent info available in this forum. If one would just take the time to read as much different build info before deciding which way they want to use/go/build. I read most build threads here, over 3-4 weeks, before I started on my own build. No one builder had most the info I used, but all gave something to the build, even if nothing but not to do it like they did.

    I even went as far as to build with no tow in adjustment and have had no reason to wish I had. After 2 1/2 years there is nothing in the structural part of the build I would change. The shape of the body maybe, but I'll just build something different for my second rigid rig.

    With that said, if you only read one or two saying to do it this way, you might wait awhile to see if it hold up to the rigors of use. There is a lot of info out there on other forums, but I believe most all of it can be found in the pages ADV hacks.
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  6. Dan Alexander

    Dan Alexander Ride Far - Ride Fast

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    Well in that case I'm glad I'm not one of the guys giving info on here :evil
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  7. TouringDave

    TouringDave Tri Moto Veritas

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    :lol3
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  8. Strong Bad

    Strong Bad n00balicious

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    I believe that for the most part the "Hacks" section of the ADVrider forums is a pretty civil place. As with just about anything fabricated, there are a lot of different ways of skinning a cat. I personally have gained a great deal from what others have shared with me here and as such I think I've come pretty close to figuring out how I like my cat skinned. So yeah, I guess I'm more than a little willing to listen to all of those different points of view and then decided which bits will work for me. But I'll also try to ask questions in a civil manor with an open mind if I don't understand something. I know in other parts of the ADVrider site there are plenty of internet experts with little experience who are more than willing to piss on your leg and try to convince you its raining. However, I've also been very surprised at the level of knowledge AND experience that comes out of the woodwork at times.
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  9. AceRph

    AceRph Affluenza Free! Administrator

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    :nod It's been fun for me.

    I've been a mod/admin for a long time now. Overall, this forum has been pretty civil and good natured. Discussions have, almost always, been reasonable. Maybe it's the way hack guys are. :dunno

    Lots of info, lots of opinions, lots of interesting discussion, and those cool build threads. But taking opinions at face-value is the same as finding the "perfect" rig on craigslist or like your first hack, DB. Buyer beware.

    I do investigations for a living. Often the info I get from a subject is like reading opinions here and elsewhere on ADVrider. Take in the information and confirm it by doing the research.
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  10. Agent Wayward

    Agent Wayward Been here awhile

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    Great post. :)

    "Hacks" for me, reflects the real world of sidecars.

    Sidecars are individual machines, no 2 ever the same, each pilot is different, each solution valid for each outfit.

    I sometimes find the attitude a tad inflexible on here, "you must not do this or that", "this is the only way" etc. That's nonsense.

    Fit a sidecar brake or do not. It is your choice, not an absolute. Hence the demise of Richard NL who could not accept flexibility. Nice chap as it turns out in real life.

    Fit a car tyre, or don't, fit a light weight chair to a heavy bike or vice versa, you might learn something. It won't kill you.

    Do not accept the accepted norm. Challenge it and find your own solutions.

    Sidecars are one of the last great bastions of proper home engineering.

    Celebrate that.

    On the other hand, do not hand out information as gospel if you only heard it from another and have no direct experience yourself. This applies to all of life, not just sidecars.

    The US contingent are strong on here, and to my mind, their builds are slightly over the top, but that because I'm a Brit, we like simple solutions. I love a good bit of engineering as much as the next man, but if you remember the space race and the money Nasa poured into that biro that would work in zero gravity; the Russians took a pencil.

    If you want electric camber control, rock on, I have a 19mm spanner in my toolkit. ;)
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  11. AceRph

    AceRph Affluenza Free! Administrator

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    How does help you on <s>left handers</s>, er, right handers?
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  12. Melrone

    Melrone Been here awhile

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    They say opions are like assholes everybody has one,and so do I..I first went on this sight for some help & to bitch about a company that builds s/c but don't do it very well..I've been scolded on the PM for my opions,I read alot of threads just to see what happens around the sidecar world...I've also met some inmates that I can call friends. I hope to meet more inmates as life goes on..I will contiue to watch this sight,read whats going onand voice my opion...Nice thread Dave...:clap
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  13. GreatWhiteNorth

    GreatWhiteNorth Long timer

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    When I got serious about getting into sidecars a few years ago I found this forum to be tremendously helpful (and still do)... very low BS ratio here IMO. It helps having a few good sidecar installers and seasoned do-it-yourself veterans chiming in frequently with advice. Haven't seen too much in the way of false info posted... strong opinions, yes of course, but well intentioned.
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  14. Bobmws

    Bobmws Curmudgeon At Large

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    I'm on, and have been on a number of Forums over the years. As my interests change direction I seek info from a number of sources. After a while I just get a feel for which ones are populated by serious contributors, and which are just folks who want to see their name in print and add to their post count.
    This place pretty much rocks, with well informed contributors and people getting involved in the discussions to bring out good info and varied points of view. The thing about sidecars is each one is different, hopefully tailored to the owners needs. Just shows how many different ways we can achieve similar results.
    We also seem to have a bit of fun around here too! :rofl
    I like it and I'm staying around. :clap
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  15. Abenteuerfahrer

    Abenteuerfahrer Deaf on Wheels

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    Always been a great forum. Learned a gazillion things...! When we were partially stranded in AK with a sheared sidecar axle. I couldn't believe the support that was pouring in. Inmates ready to hit the machine lathes making a new axle and shipping it to to the nearest outpost in the Yukon.

    Oh, sure there are often strong opinions, me included but well intentioned. What I just don't get involved in is bashing our sidecar builders....these are the only ones we have here in the US.... and bless them, what would we do without them??

    Like Barry of DMC once said:

    <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:eek:ffice:eek:ffice" /><o:p></o:p>"Again, just my opinion, but I think we would all gain a lot more from discussing our ideas and comparing the pro's and con's of whatever subject we are talking about than criticizing each other for not doing things our way."

    This is an absolute great Hack forum bar none!

    cheers......
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  16. GypsyWriter

    GypsyWriter Sarah

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    Ditto. There's been a bit of that going on here lately so kept quiet even though I have opinions (heh, don't we all!). I credit this forum for turning me onto the idea of hacks, and now that summer is starting to cool I've been thoroughly enjoying my sidecar! I've also won over another convert: my Dude has been driving the hack more and more, and yesterday he told me he wants one. I don't think we have the funds for another DMD/CSM full build, so we'll be using this forum for ideas on how to fabricate our own. That's a little ways off but, yeah, this is a pretty sweet forum. :thumb
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  17. FR700

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    It's just a microcosm of society.

    Go to a bar , supermarket , bike rally , rodeo , whatever and you'll see exactly the same thing.

    Remember , old age does not automatically confer wisdom ... it's a general guide as to how many candles to purchase for the birthday cake.

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  18. Old Mule

    Old Mule Been here awhile

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    To answer your question, there are scientific and mathmatical/dynamic sidecar writings, I have found them by googling things like "Dynamics of Three Wheeled Vehicles".
    But very few sidecar outfits are identical, and if you give four guys identical BMWs and Jupiter sidecars, and ask them to meet back here in a year, you would find four wildly different vehicles...
    Trust your own judgement when you built, and use it to filter what you read here...
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  19. Strong Bad

    Strong Bad n00balicious

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    I have to agree that there as many unique sidecars are there are unique sidecar owners.
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  20. davebig

    davebig Another Angry Hun !

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    Well FR700 I like your comment the best, as usual my inability to accept my fellow man with all their foibles has reared it's ugly head again, it's my problem.
    Though I'm fond of saying "electricity,water and mankind all seek the path of least resistance " I keep thinking they'll rise above themselves.DB

    All men are frauds. The only difference between them is that some admit it. I myself deny it.
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    &#8213; Mark Twain
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