Sidecar racing awesomeness

Discussion in 'Hacks' started by RidingDonkeys, Dec 4, 2012.

  1. RidingDonkeys

    RidingDonkeys Purveyor of Awesome

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    I have no clue what they are saying, but it sounds something like "You need a go-fast rig....you need a go-fast rig.....you need a go-fast rig."

    Yeah, exactly like that...

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  2. sidebike

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    What you are seeing is Rallye racing in France it is done with street legal motorcycles sidecars and has played a major roll in the development of High Performance Sidecars. In the Scratch Class the sidecars go up against all the solo bikes for the best time.
    I guess this video blows the theory that wide, low profile car tires don't do well in the rain !

    Here's another video of 2 HPS (the ones with lights, mirrors and license plates) on the track with racing sidecars.
    Check out the action at 6:45 where they chase down and pass a racing rig.
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  3. AceRph

    AceRph Affluenza Free! Administrator

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    Holy smokes! @1:55 - Paul McCartney, hack pilot!
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  4. Kyler

    Kyler Confused Hack Nut

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    that looks like a vintage Iverson rig - not a lot of comparison HP wise
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  5. sidebike

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    [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]HPS stands for high performance sidecar, not horse power. When a 16 year old licensed street motorcycle with sidecar can pass all those racing sidecars, even in corners, now that is performance![/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]

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    [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The HPS with the camera is a 2001 ZX12R KAWASAKI CHODA I believe it is the same one that took on Pikes Peak in 2008 (that was before they paved the top section) and turned in the fastest time in the sidecar class 13:19.194 for that year.
    I think they have the 3rd fastest time to date and 1st fastest time for a licensed street sidecar rig. Now that's Performance!
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  6. Kyler

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    Make the motors equal and see who wins. The F1 long bikes are limited to 1000cc and the F2 short bikes 600cc. My point was it isn't an apple-to-apple comparison of "[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Performance"[/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]

    Put that [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]ZX12R in true road racing rig and they'll be waiting at the top for the HPS rig to show up.

    In fairness, I would LOVE to have an HPS rig to compliment my '85 Wasp/CR500 MX sidecar and my P3 Vintage GS750 road racing sidecar. That would be a sweet addition.
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  7. whitham_wannabe

    whitham_wannabe Long timer

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    Love these things, how do I get one over here ...?

    Closest I have seen is this Blackbird rig, which the owner graciously let me take for a spin. Absolutely FANTASTIC! :clap

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  8. Bobmws

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    Look here: http://hpsidecars.com/forum/index.php

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  9. sidebike

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    If you were to put the ZX12R into a F1 road racing rig, install lights, mirrors and get it licensed for road use, then you would have the ultimate HPS!

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  10. sidebike

    sidebike Adventurer

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  11. Bobmws

    Bobmws Curmudgeon At Large

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  12. Kyler

    Kyler Confused Hack Nut

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    There is a guy in CA who did that - title his F2 that is. Can't do it in MD tho - prics here don't allow titling a bike that didn't start with a titled frame.

    I think they haven't caught on here because of the cost.
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  13. sidebike

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    Maybe these would be more to her liking?.
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  14. jbcaddy

    jbcaddy Long timer

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  15. hensmen

    hensmen Been here awhile

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    I have a picture, that shows the two directions off european performance[​IMG]
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  16. claude

    claude Sidecar Jockey

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    Sidebike wrote: >>>>Most of the members of this board have never ridden one and have nothing to compare it to. I have owned and ridden High Performance Sidecars for 23 years now. I know they are not for everyone, but I am going on 70 and would never go back to a standard rig. I don't understand why they have never caught on in North America or, for that matter any English speaking country, but they are popular in France, Belgium, Germany, Holland and Switzerland.<<<<

    Good to see your post Roger. We have had numerous HPS outfits here in the shop.. The one that really tripped my trigger was a ZX14/ Hannigan which I really hated to see leave. This was Dave's original outfit which I know you and Bill were quite familar with. Awsome machines.
    I really don't understand totally why they have not caught on more here in the states. Expense? Not totally sure if that is the reason. Take a new Goldwing and add a trike conversion to it and there is no small amount of dollars laid down. Yep the HPS type sidecars are a small market so far here in the states.
    I think some day America will get more into the idea that a sidecar outfit is to be a sidecar outfit more than just a bike with a sidecar hung on the side of it.
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  17. sidebike

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    Cabot Trail, Cape Breton, Nova Scotia
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  18. sidebike

    sidebike Adventurer

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    Nice but why not combine the two.
    Here we have a Honda CBR1100XX RDS Dual Sport with Hub Center Steering Sidecar and TWO WHEEL DRIVE this rig won it's class in the Peking to Paris Rally and also completed in the Paris Dakar Rally
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  19. flattwin94

    flattwin94 n00b

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    Great pics
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  20. sidebike

    sidebike Adventurer

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    [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Claude
    It might have something to do with age. The average age of sidecar riders in NA has to be up in the sixties by now. Back in 1985 when I was a member of a French Sidecar Club (ASF) the average age was 35 and I believe it was 55 in NA. At 43 I was one of the oldest members.
    I don't know how to get younger people interested in sidecars when their friends are riding busa, R1 and ZX14 with the exception of the ZX14 nobody in NA is making a HPS.

    Sidecar John had this to say in the Sidecars On Line after returning from the European Sidecar Rally:
    "Probably, the most crucial issue, certainly when compared to other European countries, is the
    dated nature of sidecar design in the UK. The so called classic look is all very well, but the
    newest design amongst the longer term manufacturers is nigh on 40 years old, others date back
    to the 1950s. Fine if you want to hitch a 1950s sidecar to a 1950s style motorcycle, but hardly
    attractive for newer machinery, and certainly not comparable to the sidecars available in
    mainland Europe."
    You can download a free copy of Sidecars On Line here: http://www.sidecarjohn.co.uk/
    I don't know of any French sidecar manufacturers who had to switch to building trikes to stay alive.

    Roger
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