Sidecars- Lets see em.

Discussion in 'Hacks' started by England-Kev, Nov 14, 2007.

  1. rocking rod moto

    rocking rod moto Been here awhile

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2008
    Oddometer:
    197
    Location:
    South Jersey Sandbox, south Pine Barrons
    The kids love it...<a href="http://s384.photobucket.com/albums/oo287/rockinrodwilson/?action=view&current=DSC04631.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i384.photobucket.com/albums/oo287/rockinrodwilson/DSC04631.jpg" border="0" alt="2 Toys"></a>
  2. halflive

    halflive Been here awhile

    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2009
    Oddometer:
    372
    hoi Richard:freaky
    triggered by this picture i did some research on outback welding (and having a K75 outfit). battery welding was new to me and seemed a good resque method. 24 volts is not to much, you realy want 36 volts or 3 batteries. when you're an experienced welder it's possible with 24 volts but hard to keep a good arc. judging from the weld on this K100, this was an experienced welder:clap
    the technics: 3 large batteries in series with stout wires and vice clamps, two jumper cables and a piece of eye protection. 1/8 or 3,25mm rods will do the job. http://www.lcool.org/technical/80_series/bat_weld/battery_welding.html

    now it's just a case of traveling with 2 other BMW's or Guzzi's in case your frame would break :wink:
  3. Winterbiker

    Winterbiker Sidecarist

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2006
    Oddometer:
    291
    Outdoor welding - very interesting!!!!!

    Thanks for posting!

    Winterbiker
  4. Richard-NL

    Richard-NL Sidecar Fan

    Joined:
    Aug 12, 2008
    Oddometer:
    1,000
    Location:
    The Netherlands
    Hey Arjan, nice to see you here. Although more Dutchies will scare the hell out of some people. :lol3 <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:eek:ffice:eek:ffice" /><o:p></o:p>
    <o:p></o:p>
    Yep, unknown with DC welding what so ever, I only knew, what you just now wrote here above. I find it intriging as well. Never done it. <o:p></o:p>
    <o:p></o:p>
    My question was more about the picture shown by Chris. Can you see where the + or &#8211; goes on the frame. I don&#8217;t . (in DC welding the plus should go on the frame in stead of the negative pole, so I understood.) <o:p></o:p>
    <o:p></o:p>
    Hopefully Chris will explain something more about this &#8220;field practice&#8221;. Would be great. I also agree, the person in the pic must be a experienced welder getting the arch right with only 24 Volts. :clap <o:p></o:p>
    <o:p></o:p>
    Richard-NL :bmwrider <o:p></o:p>
  5. Erik RS

    Erik RS Three Wheel Maniac

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2008
    Oddometer:
    465
    Location:
    Cloggyland
    As far as I can tell, the remark in the 4wd-article is incorrect. Norm for DC-rod (normal rods) welding is positive to the rod. This gives an arc that enters deeper into the material. They probably confuse it with DC-tig welding,where indeed the tungsten rod is wired negative, or else all heat would go into the torch.
    It's a well-known trick though (for instance for first layers in pipes and thin material) to wire the rod to negative to have more control of the bath (colder)
    As for the 24V. The biggest problem is the ignition of the arc. Rutile rods ignite at a lower voltage than their basoic (is that the right word in English?) counterparts, who usually need at least 40+ V to ignite properly.

    I'm sure I'm gonna try it one day and see if and how it works, but am for the moment amazed with the quality of the weld in the picture. Hats off for this emergency rescue:bow
  6. Winterbiker

    Winterbiker Sidecarist

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2006
    Oddometer:
    291
    The outdoor welding post is very interesting. I like people doing their own work.
    One of these guys made this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovcEg1yiLDs

    Something different to outdoorwelding, but difficult. It took three years until it works without problems.


    Greetings from Germany

    Winterbiker
  7. AceRph

    AceRph Affluenza Free! Administrator

    Joined:
    Jan 12, 2003
    Oddometer:
    24,707
    Location:
    Where the stupidest people on earth run things
    <object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/ovcEg1yiLDs&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/ovcEg1yiLDs&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>

    Very cool.
  8. HogWild

    HogWild Scott Whitney

    Joined:
    Nov 12, 2003
    Oddometer:
    2,795
    Location:
    SoCal USA
    Bumped into these:

    [​IMG] [​IMG]

    [​IMG] [​IMG]

    And a few more:

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    2008 Baja 1000:
    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]
  9. halflive

    halflive Been here awhile

    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2009
    Oddometer:
    372
    i'm not so bad, just don't moan to much about TUV to me:dogI think the Germans like to be mothered with rules and don't know what to do without them:cry

    this weekend i spoke to a fellow sidecarrist who knows something about welding.
    the trick is in the rutile electrodes as Erik mentioned, hello Erik :freaky
  10. ReCycled

    ReCycled Been here awhile

    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2005
    Oddometer:
    430
    Location:
    Vally Forge, PA

    You have to tell us about this jumper cable welding! What do you use for an electrode, a spare spoke?!?
  11. Richard-NL

    Richard-NL Sidecar Fan

    Joined:
    Aug 12, 2008
    Oddometer:
    1,000
    Location:
    The Netherlands
    MacGyver can do arc welding with two coins :lol3 :


    <OBJECT height=364 width=445>
    &nbsp
    &nbsp
    <embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/UILxQY9TQ5w&hl=nl&fs=1&border=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="445" height="364"></embed></OBJECT><?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:eek:ffice:eek:ffice" /><o:p></o:p>


    <o:p></o:p>
    Still interested in (I will not call it DC-welding anymore :augie ) this emergency welding with batteries. Come on Chris.... :ear <o:p></o:p>
    <o:p></o:p>
    Richard-NL :bmwrider <o:p></o:p>
    <o:p></o:p>
  12. Richard-NL

    Richard-NL Sidecar Fan

    Joined:
    Aug 12, 2008
    Oddometer:
    1,000
    Location:
    The Netherlands
    “Dreckster”:
    <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:eek:ffice:eek:ffice" /><o:p></o:p>
    1984 1200 Sportster EVO in a EML Cross frame, but with a lot of changes. <o:p></o:p>
    <o:p></o:p>
    [​IMG]<o:p></o:p>
    <o:p></o:p>
    [​IMG]
    <o:p></o:p>
    [​IMG]
    <o:p></o:p>
    funny detail :D :
    <o:p></o:p>
    [​IMG]
    <o:p></o:p>
    Richard-NL :bmwrider
    <o:p></o:p>
  13. Richard-NL

    Richard-NL Sidecar Fan

    Joined:
    Aug 12, 2008
    Oddometer:
    1,000
    Location:
    The Netherlands
    Laverda Atlas (proven desert-worthy many times): <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:eek:ffice:eek:ffice" /><o:p></o:p>
    <o:p></o:p>
    [​IMG]
    <o:p></o:p>
    Richard-NL :bmwrider
    <o:p></o:p>
  14. Richard-NL

    Richard-NL Sidecar Fan

    Joined:
    Aug 12, 2008
    Oddometer:
    1,000
    Location:
    The Netherlands
    Belgian 2WD outfit with two engines :huh : <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:eek:ffice:eek:ffice" /><o:p></o:p>
    <o:p></o:p>
    [​IMG]
    <o:p></o:p>
    <o:p></o:p>

    <o:p></o:p>

    Richard-NL :bmwrider
    <o:p></o:p>
  15. Richard-NL

    Richard-NL Sidecar Fan

    Joined:
    Aug 12, 2008
    Oddometer:
    1,000
    Location:
    The Netherlands
    Not a pic but a short vid of last Saturday, when we were in the Belgian woods.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:eek:ffice:eek:ffice" /><o:p></o:p>
    <o:p></o:p>

    <OBJECT height=364 width=445>


    <embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/fWbLM_G6DwU&hl=nl&fs=1&border=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="445" height="364"></embed></OBJECT><o:p></o:p>
    </P><o:p></o:p>
    It was fun. :wink: <o:p></o:p>
    <o:p></o:p>
    Richard-NL :bmwrider <o:p></o:p>
    <o:p></o:p>
  16. Richard-NL

    Richard-NL Sidecar Fan

    Joined:
    Aug 12, 2008
    Oddometer:
    1,000
    Location:
    The Netherlands
    Warbird :nod :<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:eek:ffice:eek:ffice" /><o:p></o:p>
    <o:p></o:p>
    [​IMG]<o:p></o:p>
    <o:p></o:p>
    Richard-NL :bmwrider <o:p></o:p>
    <o:p></o:p>
    <o:p></o:p>
  17. Bucho

    Bucho Long timer

    Joined:
    Dec 10, 2006
    Oddometer:
    2,082
    Location:
    Maryland
    The Sportster/EML is pretty sweet.
  18. Kyler

    Kyler Confused Hack Nut

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2007
    Oddometer:
    2,639
    Location:
    51st State - Western MD
    I was eying the passenger seat - sweet!:thumb
  19. eastbloc

    eastbloc comprador bourgeois

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2003
    Oddometer:
    1,359
    Location:
    Brooklyn
    :eek1
  20. Qwik

    Qwik Adrenaline Addict

    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2008
    Oddometer:
    6,981
    Location:
    Sunnyvale, California
    ve the custom Warbird