Sidewinder Chain and Sprockets

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  1. rideslikeoldman

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    I am thinking about calling Vic over at Sidewinder to see if he would manufacture a line to fit our bikes. I have used these extensively on all my enduros and moto cross bikes over the years and to be honest, there is no more durable chain and sprocket set on the market, period. I have used them on 4 different bikes and never had to replace them again, they are that strong and durable. I'd burn through a oem set in a few months then replace them with sidewinders and then never again. They have a Ti 2 line of sprockets that are gauranteed for life, which I never used them but the tool steel or regular Ti line would be a substantial improvement over the stock set that's on the F800 now. Here's a link to Krause's web page. Just seeing if there is much interest in a group buy.


    http://sidewindersprockets.com/index.html
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  2. Hucker

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    I'd be interested. Will need replacements soon.
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  3. CrazyMike

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    I'm interested. :lurk
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  4. costas68gr

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    me to also!!:1drink
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  5. JRWooden

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    They sound very nice - I don't see any prices on the website ....
    Would you have a rough guess on prices?
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  6. LukasM

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    You are probably the first person I have heard from that was happy with Sidewinder products. Looking around on various forums the word I usually hear is either "snake oil" or "waste of money". :D

    How many actual miles are you getting out of a set?

    If you want something light and durable, I'd stick with the well proven DID ZVM-2 chain and try to get Dirt Tricks to manufacture one of their Ironman sprockets for our BMWs. They also have a great track record, even on high powered bikes like the big KTM twins.

    IIRC Colebatch had about 30.000 mostly off road kms on his set before it started showing some wear.

    And of course they look fucking awesome! :lol3

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  7. roundtripping

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    Supersprox. DID. Done. :D
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  8. rideslikeoldman

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    There are prices on the website it depends on which type of material and model they are and the how long of a chain.
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  9. rideslikeoldman

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    OK, I just got off the phone with Andy @ Krause and here's the deal we worked out. Ti-moly2 sprockets front and rears and the Ti-moly2 chain with 525 pitch. Front $69 (reg $89), rear $149 (reg $179), chain $149 (reg $189) total $367 for the Ti-moly 2 chain and sprockets lifetime gaurantee on all components. Thats $90 off the normal price. Also ask for a extra master link because they are specific to Sidewinder, other master links won't fit the sidewinders they are to small. Ask for Andy and tell them this a group buy we put together from Adventure Rider Web forum. Specify how many teeth you want (stocks are 16 and 42) chain pitch is 525........ Also I forgot to add that the chain is the 16,000lb tensil strength version, the strongest they make.

    Andy 1-630-513-1000
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  10. TowPro

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    back in the early 90s I was running Sidewinder products. The sprockets seemed to last for ever, but they were hardened alu vrs the stock steel stuff. And the chain was Krouse if I am not mistaking back then.

    Even then the only way I afforded it was a coupon for something like 50% off I won for a getting a top 5 finish in my class.
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  11. Colebatch

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    Yep thats about right .... I get 50,000 + km all up out out of the Ironman sprockets ... and yeah, they look the mutts nutts.
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  12. Indy Unlimited

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    Sidewinder chains were over priced failures on my dirt bikes and a disaster on my Liter bike. DID ZVM X-ring and Ironman or Supersprox Stealth are the best I have used on my bikes and my buddies bikes.:1drink
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  13. rideslikeoldman

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    Never used DID products but I see they barely warranty their products, it does not cover normal wear. Yes the sidewinders are expensive but your getting a warranty that gaurantee them a lifetime. My experiance is totally opposite of yours. I have know idea of how you or your friends maintained your equiptment but thats a factor I consider paramount in service life of chain and sprockets. I know through my own experience that they took a ton of abuse from me and never needed replaced after a few years before selling my bikes. What was your disaster on your litre bike? Did you have the correct pitch chain? What model of sidewinders was it? How long were they on? Was the angle of your chain and sprockets off? All things I consider when I hear things like what you said. I also don't how you maintained your equiptment or how long of intervals you go between lubes?
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  14. LukasM

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    Lifetime warranty is nice in theory, but if you search ADVrider for Sidewinder these are some of the "testimonials" you will get from other members:







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    That's fine, but by the looks of that KLR rear sprocket it looks severely neglected, look at the coloration of the rear sprocket. What does concern me is how they might choose to handle their warranty and shipping and processing. I will call them and ask some more questions. My experiences are totally different from the few that you posted and will still not change my thoughts on how durable they are. Like the few negatives you posted there are alot of positve reviews, google sidewinder chain and sprockets review.
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  16. Indy Unlimited

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    I am not going to post pictures for you to raise disbelief but my R1 eat a 530 smart chain with brand new sidewinder sprockets in less than 1000 miles in one season of track days. Just the facts. I did not bother getting a warranty claim because I just did not want another smart chain to put me on my back. I trust my ass to DID quality.
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  17. Motoriley

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    Thank for doing the legwork for us. Won't be sending these boys any cash anytime soon.
    Better Business Review doesn't look very good. They got the big F

    http://www.bbb.org/chicago/business-reviews/motorcycles-supplies-and-parts/krause-racing-sidewinder-sprockets-and-chains-in-saint-charles-il-88032934

    Factors that lowered Krause Racing Sidewinder Sprockets and Chains' rating include:

    Failure to respond to 4 complaints filed against business.
    BBB does not have sufficient information to determine how long this business has been operating. BBB made two or more requests for background information from the business. BBB has not received a response from this business and/or has not been able to verify information received from this business.
    BBB does not have sufficient background information on this business. BBB made two or more requests for background information from the business. BBB has not received a response from this business and/or has not been able to verify information received from this business.


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  18. BrokerBiker

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    Krause over at Sidewinder Chain and Sprockets convinced me to spend twice as much on a chain and sprocket for my ZX-14. I spent a total of $599 with him (of course I had to buy his lube too; you know, 'it's the best lube' too...). I have been riding my whole life and I cannot believe I was that stupid.

    I purchased the chain in August of 2011. My ZX14 was down early fall through almost mid-summer 2012 due to a PowerCommander issue, so I put very few miles on it this year. When I did begin riding, the chain didn't stretch at all at first and then went way faster than the heavy-duty D.I.D. or RK chains I typically buy.

    With less than 6,000 miles on the chain, and while on a cross-country trip to D.C., the chain became so bad I stopped at a dealer in Kokomo IN to have a second set of eyes look at it. The mechanic and the owner of the dealership agreed that something was wrong and I should probably install a new chain, but I might be able to get away with it until I got back. Against my gut feeling, I carried on. The next day, the chain seemed so bad I located a dealer in Springfield OH who agreed to bump me to the front of the service line to change my chain and get me back on the road. With the bike in the air on the stand in a well-lit shop I was able to look at the sprocket closely. I could not believe his 'last forever' sprocket's teeth were beginning to round off already!!!

    Needless to say, this was a gigantic (and expensive) P.I.T.A. So, when I got home the following week I called Sidewinder to discuss it with them. They didn't answer their phone (which is typical if you've dealt with them), so I left a voicemail. Several days later I had not heard anything, so I called back and left another voicemail. When I did not hear back from them within several more days I sent an email. That was a couple days ago and I haven't heard anything back. I sent another email just prior to posting this, but I do not expect a response, so I figured I would go on a couple forums and let anyone who may be considering buying one of these chains or sprockets know of my experience.

    On a side-bar, I have a SuperSprox Titanium/Aluminum rear sprocket on my FZ1 that I have beat the piss out of for 15,000 miles that looks better than this Sidewinder sprocket.

    The only reason his chains and sprockets cost any more money are because he is a super small shop. He does not have the same economy of scale that real manufacturers do. This is most likely also why he cannot backup his guaranty.

    If you think some guy out of nowhere is going to have better R&D than a major manufacturer (D.I.D., RK, your OEM replacement, whoever) you're crazy. I already made the mistake. Learn from mine.

    Have a good one.

    (By the way, my FZ1 and ZX14 have a combined 100,000 miles in less than 10 years and I live in Chicago where you can't ride 4 months out of the year, so I think I do a fair amount of riding and motorcycle maintenance)
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