Signs of the times

Discussion in 'Battle Scooters' started by dduelin, May 1, 2012.

  1. njd

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    There is just as much evidence against the theory of global warming as there is for.

    Which makes this thread a complete waste of everyone's fucking time. So shut up and go fucking ride before the sun explodes and kills us all.
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  2. hugemoth

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    I don't remember who made the solar panels I bought in the 60s but I do remember I bought them at an electronics shop. Look up the history of photovoltaics and you'll be able to verify the photovoltaic effect was discovered in 1839. "The photovoltaic effect was first observed by Alexandre-Edmond Becquerel in 1839." Here's a link for you.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photovoltaics

    My array consists of 29 modules and puts out about 100 amps at 15 volts in full sun. I live in Oregon as you would see if you looked to the left of my posts.

    As I posted before, there are 10 golf car batteries. The house and shop are all 110 volts supplied by 1000 watt and 3000 watt inverters.

    Since I bought my panels used I didn't get a tax break on them but did get a nice tax break (state) on my solar water heater.

    All my PV panels as well as the solar water heater are on the roof and I have never cleaned them. Any dust that accumulates during the summer isn't a problem because there is so much extra power. Fall rain washes them off so they're clean during the winter.

    A little research from reputable sources is all it would take for you to understand how well solar power works.




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  3. Ken OBSC

    Ken OBSC -6.12, -7.64

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    :rolleyes

    So, just what is your point other than to counter science with political ideology?

    BTW, you might look up the term "inverter". :wink:
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  4. CaseyJones

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    I know what an "inverter" is. I have several. Powered my freezer off it the last time the power was out for a few days.

    I also know enough about solar cells to know they ain't gonna work, without breakthroughs that haven't happened and probably will never. Mostly because of storage needs, as well as the difficulty of making one work in winter months when there's little direct sun and it's weak and low in the horizon.

    But...you're never going to be convinced; so I won't waste my time putting out direct links. You'd just discount them anyway; they don't fit your views.

    Somehow, though...those cheap, efficient solar panels just don't sell. Just don't make it to the catalogs and stores.

    Maybe...ConEdison bought up the patents? They've got them in a locked room, right alongside the 100-mpg carburetor.

    Believe what you want.
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  5. CaseyJones

    CaseyJones Ridin' that train

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    That's the wisest insight anyone's posted on this thread.

    :freaky
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  6. vortexau

    vortexau Outside the Pod-bay

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    You'd not be seeing the raging bushfires with your head in the sand, but just the same you'd be getting a mighty singed bum!

    [SIZE=+1]Hotter Summer Days, More Fires Forecast for Australia[/SIZE]
    SYDNEY, Australia, January 14, 2004 (ENS)

    Its happened in the past (apparently) -
    Dinosaur Farts Caused Their Own Extinction


    - that living things can affect their own environment. Somehow, I get the picture that man's activities have more potential in this regard than large plant-eating sauropods. I mean those hadrosaurs were hardly clear-felling every forest, making dust bowls, over-laying concrete & asphalt on top of grasslands, daming rivers, drying up inland seas, etc.

    Monbiot's royal flush: Top 10 climate change deniers

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    Good company to keep?
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  7. vortexau

    vortexau Outside the Pod-bay

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    While the Western World dillies and argues vehicle fuel consumption, and fuel subsidies, there are those in the Third World doing something about non-grid, non-refinery, vehicle power:

    A scooter powered by sun and wind

    Not strictly alone in that though - there are a few in the West doing just this sort of project (and carrying that on for seven years or more):

    How to convert an electric scooter to a solar scooter

    By Mike Hanlon
    22:00 August 17, 2005


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    Plans for

    Don's Solar Scooter

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  8. btcn

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    Seriously? You can't never say a horse is no worse on the envirement than a car! And yes, my fat ass is sure as hell to lazy to walk!:deal:rofl I'd ride a tricycle before I walk!:lol3 But I avoid a bicycle at ALL costs as well.

    Yea, if gases goes up to $15 or so, then I's gonna just keep to 2 wheelers. I'd only drive the truck for a reason, not for no reason no more. If it gets WAY over that I'd have to go to a damn ranger or something. But hopefully not no time soon! Yea I agree with you on the processing on the gas.


    And they's gonna make worse gas? FUCK! That piss me off!:deal Is it that colored man in washington or what doing all this?

    Whoevers reaspondsable should be beaten! I know they gas nowadays is bad compared to back then. I herd that like our old 70s and 80s motors ain't quite as happy with the gas as it is now cause of something like this?



    Wait now I's gone in Wikipedia and it says that there E85 is maid by corn or some bullshit? So its be used again and ain't using oil? While that wouldn't be bad for a new cars, it ain't no good for no old cars. IF they's gonna make it the only fuel, well fuck them!
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  9. CaseyJones

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    Who...you?

    Naw.

    Coincidences are funny things. This weekend I was reading an opinion column by Dr. Thomas Sowell; who was talking about codewords. He has a yiddish word for it which I can't remember how to spell; basically, he was describing how certain in-vogue phrases, like "Save The Planet" or "Low Carbon Footprint" or "Sustainable Growth" were in fact shorthand advertisements, codewords, for "I'm on the correct side of things politically."

    This shows it. I don't know what a former governor of Alaska has to do with whether we should stop using oil, which is useless for anything else, and start burning corn-squeezings, which could more easily be used as FOODSTUFFS.

    What your post shows is that you like to let others do the thinking and then just sign on with a "Hear, HEAR!!" cry of approval. While giving what they babble, NO logical examination.
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  10. CaseyJones

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    How much did all that idiot junk cost?

    Compared to three gallons of gasoline, which would be selling at two dollars a gallon if we'd go use our own crude for it.

    Sometimes, "possible" and "practical" are two completely different things.
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  11. hugemoth

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    I would like to see where you get your information on solar energy. Fox news? Rush Limbaugh? Heck, if the source is scientifically reputable you might actually convince someone of the validity of your opinion.




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  12. rv-rick

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    Actually the polar bears are not endangered. There are many more than there were in the 1960s.
    Even the pictures they show on TV have been so closely cropped, you can't really tell anything from them.
    One example showed a polar bear on an ice floe that looked like he was in the middle of the ocean and all alone. When the full picture was shown, he was maybe a few hundred feet off land, and there was a whole family of them romping around.

    The old saying: Believe half of what you see and none of what you hear has become outdated.
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  13. dduelin

    dduelin Be Thou My Vision, Oh Lord Of My Heart

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    I hope this makes everyone happy.

    If I ever doubted anything I had read or heard about Dismissers I believe it now.

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  14. CaseyJones

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    Edited out.

    I jumped the gun...mea culpa...
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  15. btcn

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    Whoever does that shall be shot! I say :flip to all this bullshit!

    I can breath just fine. And we's been a driven V8s for a long time. Cars before the 90s there's not no Cadylitick Converters. They's been a driven since the long time.
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  16. CaseyJones

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    The problem here is, we're trying to discuss facts; and these people are just showing fealty...group unity with the Leaders Of The Cause. Notice the mockery? Anyone who's not in lockstep with US has his head...in the sand.

    Gee, what's the proof? It's HOT...In AUSTRALIA! In the SUMMER!

    What a surprise, that! Never happened before, hey? The Outback was a veritable lush Garden of Eden before all this Global Warming.

    Unfortunately for the parrots, I know better. BEEN to Aussieland.

    And, too, notice how he got his shot in about "deniers"? And of course,. Sarah Palin. Who would ever have thought Emmanuel Goldstein would be reborn...as a small-town Alaska woman, who made the mistake of running for public office without kissing the ring of Party Bosses and the P.C. bibles?

    This crap makes me bilious. And the eagerness they jump in with it, more so. You wanna believe in Global Warming...or Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy...that's fine. Just don't demand public policy be shaped around it; and don't smear sane people who identify you as what you are.
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  17. topless

    topless Been here awhile

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    I apologize for my tirades. I have spent my life workings around industry and watched too many people that I've known get laid off as plants close.
    I have a very independent streak and a suspicious nature, I also have a lot of industrial experience and a son who has a degree in Enviromental Biology. From both sides of any Enviromental issue, there is a certain amount of bs. However, the flat out lies and media propaganda has come from the greenies over the last few years. A business doesn't stand much of a chance in creating an Enviromental problem when all it takes is a phone call from someone to bring in the media and EPA. But, no such method exists for the false information spread by greenies.
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  18. snakebit

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    The combination of ignorance and arrogance in this post is unbelievable.

    In 2010 the U. S. exported 1 billion dollars worth of panels, China 10 billion dollars worth.

    The Chinese government has invested over 40 billion dollars into solar panel firms.

    I could go on and on but it would be pointless. Some people can't be educated.

    Please explain to us how you are smarter and know more about solar panels then the tens of thousands of engineers and investors who are proving that panels are a completely feasible solution to energy needs in much of the world.
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  19. CaseyJones

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    So...someone is buying them. With OPM...other people's money. Government purchases, IOW.

    You say EXPORTED. You live on Hawaii, maybe, MAYBE, they can be practical.

    Not in a place where you average less than 90 sunny days a year; where the average temperature dips below freezing half the year.

    The Chinese will make whatever fools with money want to buy.

    Sure!!

    I'm not taking GOVERNMENT MONEY to work on solar panels!

    I know how that game is played - my old man was a chemical engineer, at one point with what's now Exxon. He got out; his new business failed; and got back in the field. Hired by the Carter government's Synthetic Fuels Corporation.

    A big fat paycheck to work on SYNTHETIC FUELS!

    Now...how much synthetic fuel did the Synthetic Fuel Corporation produce? If you said "ZERO" go to the head of the class. My old man knew the futility of it; but he wasn't getting paid for his opinions. He was getting paid for his expertise and his ability to show, at least on paper, progress on the Plan.

    That's how this government-handout-research stuff generally goes.
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  20. hugemoth

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    I question your knowledge of photovoltaics and again request the source of your information.

    1. Who said photovoltaic power is practical in a place with 90 days of sun per year? I say they may be practical in those places if you only need the power that PVs can produce during that time. That probably would not include your average family home in those areas, but still useful for remote monitoring installations, radio repeaters with fuel cell or generator backup, off grid summer cabins, etc..

    2. You say "temps dip below freezing half the year". What does that have to do with solar panels? The colder it is, the more power a PV module produces.

    Please tell me what your source is so I can correct their misinformation.




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