Silverwing or TMAX?

Discussion in 'Battle Scooters' started by round the block don, Jun 7, 2010.

  1. Cortez

    Cortez BAZINGA!

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    Well this went nuts :huh

    Given the choice, I assume T-max is more comfortable then my
    Kawasaki and I'd go that way. I don't think it's power deficit should
    be a concern, it's fast enough.

    However, having read all the 'wants' she has, I think the Silverwing
    (or a Burgman) might be a better choice.
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  2. zebra03

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    What about ease of maitenance and reliability ?
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  3. Cortez

    Cortez BAZINGA!

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    Probably screwed with either of them re: maintenance :D, but also all fine re: reliability.
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  4. Bar None

    Bar None Candy Ass

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    So soreass, what did you decide after all the sage advice?????:rofl
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  5. Cortez

    Cortez BAZINGA!

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    I'm expecting: "I got this great Vespa GTS and...!" :huh:evil
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  6. spotch

    spotch Been here awhile

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    I won't waste my time responding to the rest of your post because you're basically just saying a bunch of stuff that I've already refuted, and you're just too stupid to realize it. If you didn't get it the first time around, you probably won't ever.

    I do think it's hilarious that you think my opinion isn't valid because I don't own one or the other. It's called not being so biased that you turn 'pros' into 'cons' just to try to make your weak ass argument. But you clearly wouldn't know anything about that. I'm sure you're right... I'm sure ABS, a larger engine, more highway stability, lower seat height, and way more carrying capacity are entirely worthless on a touring machine. None of that matters at all. The only thing to consider when buying a touring scooter is how much it resembles a motorcycle, while disregarding everything else. You were right all along! lol.
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  7. DOUBLE-O G

    DOUBLE-O G Smooth Operator

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    You're still babbling about all this? Move on! What a douche...
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  8. fgallucc

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    Dudes,
    This is my first post in a long time...maybe ever! I'm 50, I've ridden bikes and scooters my whole life, I ride a lot, and I've owned over 60 motorcycles of all sorts. I've owned two SilverWings (three if you count the GL500 Interstate I had years and years ago), and I now own a Tmax. I probably put about 6k miles on the SilverWings and I have just under 10k miles on the Tmax.

    Now, far be it from me to step into a fight without being invited, but I thought that someone, someday may appreciate the perspective of a veteran rider with extensive experience of both machines.

    Touring:
    Yes, Silverwing. It has more storage, it's more comfortable, and it's softer. That being said, if I'm riding the scooter with bikes doing 80mph plus, I'd only want to be on the Tmax. Why? The Silverwings (both of them) were spongy to the point of dangerous over 85mph. They'd wallow in fast sweepers. I actually think their poor handling more than offsets the advantage of ABS.
    Can you tour on an Tmax? Hell yes. I've ridden 650 miles a day, two days in a row, on two different occasions. So, yeah, it's definitely easy to tour on, just not as cozy as the Swing.

    Handling:
    Duh. Like comparing an Impala to a Miata. I had an FZ6 at the same time as the Tmax. I think the Tmax handled as good, actually better than the FZ. How? It is a rare combination of stability (long wheelbase and low center of gravity) and quick handling. It does not get unsettled in bumpy corners, you can change lines easily, and it has lean angles that exceed my comfort. Cruisers cannot keep up with the Tmax, and sportbike riders have to be pretty good to keep up and be riding aggressively. I have a buddy with an FZ6 who raced motorcross when he was younger, and he's been amazed at what I can do.
    The Swing...boring. Vanilla. I never felt safe pushing it in corners - too rubbery.

    Maintenance:
    Actually, pretty cheap on both. 26k valve adjust interval on the Tmax, 15k(?) on the Swing. Belt change on both around 12k?? I change the oil myself and do some maintenance, so no big deal. Changing the belt, well, I'll find out (I think I'll put in a race variator when I do it), but I think it's the price I pay for not having to worry about the chain!
    Oh, bad on the Swing - both of mine rattled in the fairing. IRRITATING!!!! The Tmax is tight.

    Around town:
    No difference, no problem. Like comparing Coke and Pepsi...who cares?

    Fun:
    It is worth it to me to tour on the Tmax so that when I get there (wherever), I can have some fun on the bike! The Tmax is a bike you want to ride. The Silverwing is a great bike, absolutely. I was happy with it. It was just too, um, boring.
    In terms of quickness, the Swing really does have a lag for the first 10 mph that is frustrating. After that, I think they are probably equal. But the Tmax is more fun to twist, you feel it more, hear it more. Much more visceral.

    Finally:
    I just rode a few days with 3 good buddies with Harley's. They started off kind of poking fun at the scooter good-naturedly, and ended up being amazed at it. They were following me on some nice rides, and I was taking it pretty easy. They told me they were scraping parts at times to keep up. I eventually followed them (we caught up with 2 other guys with Harley's going pretty slow, so I waved my buddies past). I actually rode with 1 hand and took pictures with the other.

    RESULTS....
    Buy whichever one you want. You won't get bored as fast on the Tmax. If all you are going to do is ride highways and not go above 80mph, get the Swing. But of course, by all means remember (AND THIS IS TRUE FOR ALL OF US), DO WHATEVER THE HELL YOUR WIFE WANTS BECAUSE THAT WILL JUST MAKE YOUR LIFE A LOT EASIER!

    PEACE, MY BIKER BROTHERS!
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  9. Mike in flossmoor

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    I don't have any experience with the tmax but have put some 40,000 miles on the Silverwing. The wing is a porker at 550 pounds but 500 pounds is not that much different. Mine rattles but I have dropped it many times and it has lots of broken tabs. The springs on the wing are soft I replaced them front and back and solved that problem. Any bike as you ride a little you will need to adjust :D seat, windshield, mirrors, suspension maybe darkside tires I added a trailer hitch.:wink: Until it is right for you. After 5 years the scoot is about right for me and probably unsellable.
    If I was recommending something different from a Motorcycle I would consider either Kymco Downtown 300I or the Honda SH 300 as they are in the 350 pound range with around 30 hp and fast enough to tour. Though I have traveled 1200 miles over a weekend with camping gear on a Kymco Bet & Win 19 hp.

    Mike in Flossmoor
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  10. Cortez

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    @fgallucc - Wow, great review, thanks for your input and welcome to the forum!
    :clap
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  11. lcseds

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    I'll jump in here quick like also. I have a 09 Silverwing ABS that is mostly for my wife and I ride a Suzuki cruiser. Although I grab her bike often because it's so much dang fun.

    Anyone that says ABS is only for wet roads, or that it is faster braking without ABS simply, positively has not used it (to it's potential anyway). I dare anyone to find me a person that has ABS, and had a chance to really test it, that wished they had regular brakes. It's not about wet pavement if you can lock up any wheel on dry pavement during hard braking. On the Swing, with balanced braking and ABS, my wife can grab a handful of brake levers and squeeze as hard as she can without worrying about front or rear lockup which would surely cause a wreck. Seasoned riders and instructors will tell you to apply the brakes as hard as you can but not to the point of wheel lock. Ever try and pull that off when a car pulled in front of you and you have to react in a split second? Yep, lockup and accident. Practice braking all you want, but ABS will help save your bacon more than your skills when it counts.
    I will NEVER buy another bike that lacks ABS. Never.

    Can't say anything about the TMAX, because it does not meet my criteria as stated above. Looks good though, and if it ever was offered with ABS, I'd give it a long look.
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  12. Cortez

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    +1 on everything you said.
    (And we get ABS on Tmax here, but the damn thing costs more then
    a Bandit 1250 ABS).
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  13. VerlynNofzinger

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    Can someone advise where I can purchase the mirror block off plates for the Yamaha T-Max scooter? I tried sending an Email to a website that listed them but the Email came back as undeliverable.
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  14. round the block don

    round the block don soreass

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    Thanks for all the advice, everyone. I ended up buying the Tmax for my wife. Not because I thought it was better or even more suited to her needs or even a better deal. She prefered it because of the graduated licensing sytem we have here in this neck of the woods. Her license allows her to ride a bike of 550 cc's or less, anything bigger and she would have to retest. The thought of that stressed her out so we went for the Tmax. Of course if I hadn't felt both bikes were suitable, I wouldn't have let that be the deciding factor.


    All that being said, she loves the Tmax. She feels much more confident on it than she did on her GS500 and we have had some nice outings on it, though no trips yet. From my perspective, as someone with quite a bit of bike experience, it's a hoot to ride and I'm impressed by its performance and hi-way capability. A taller windscreen would help some but that's common with a lot of bikes. Overall, we couldn't be happier with it, and I suspect we'd have been happy with the S'wing too. They're both good, just a little different in design and purpose.
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  15. MQracing

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    IMO you should not be so quick to discount the Burgman 400 (or the Majesty and BV500).

    There's been more than one rider who have gone from say a Burgman 650 to a Burg 400 with joy and delight. The 400 is lighter and easier to handle and really does not give up much in the way of real world performance.

    I've done several hundred mile days on my 400. It'll cruise with comfort at 75 mph on the interstate. I've hit close to an indicated 90 mph more than once.

    I'm also very fond of the Silverwing. It's a great Maxi. A classic in my view. But not at the expense of shortchanging either the Burg 400 or the Majesty (to name just two other alternatives).

    My hunch is that if either yourself or your wife had some actual experience on either the majesty or burg 400 you would not have been so quick to make such a unfortunate statement.


    MSL
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  16. round the block don

    round the block don soreass

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    True, I have no scooter background and agree: bigger does not mean better. Lighter and more manoeuverable can mean more fun and no offense intended to all the happy riders on Burgman 400's or whatever else you choose.
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  17. spotch

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    This doesn't surprise me at all... I work with numerous current and former mc owners and they all make comments along the lines of "i don't see how a scooter could be more manageable than a mc / less stable than an mc /etc" and, having ridden 2 scooters and 2 mcs of various sizes, I can't help but look at them like this :scratch

    motorcycles are a lot of things scooters aren't, but manageable isn't one of them lol.

    Glad you guys are enjoying the purchase!
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  18. blitz02rus

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    tmax isnt so comfortable as silverwing and hasnt so much space for luggage, its an ultimate city rider.
    burgman400 is very balanced ride, but if you tried tmax you wont even look at burg.
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  19. vortexau

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    One factor of concern to me is the type of construction used on the steering head in Maxi Scooter chassis. My former mount; the Majesty, uses a single triple-tree mounting to attach the front fork tubes to the steering head.

    My current ride; the Burgman Exec, uses double triple-trees as are used on most motorcycles:

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    http://home.people.net.au/~vortexau/Pics/Majesty400Chassis.jpg
    (800x533 bare Majesty chassis)

    http://www.max.grenkowitz.net/res/Wheels2/Burgman400/SuzukiBurgman400K7SemiStripped.jpg
    (800x532 Burgman 400 see-through image)

    http://burgmanusa.com/gallery/d/34263-2/650_naked_burgman.jpg
    (450x300 Burgman 650 frame) double triple-clamps; although there is a lot of clutter in the way.

    http://www.yamaha-motor.pl/designcafe/en/Images
    /tmax_naked_01%20PS%20huge%20left_tcm71-227257.jpg
    (750x1200 front view of TMax; showing double triple-clamps)
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  20. round the block don

    round the block don soreass

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    I'm sure someone will correct me here if I'm wrong, but I expect the Tmax also has double triple clamps as it is the most motorcycle-like of any of the maxis. Sure handles like a bike.
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