Six Months Later . . .

Discussion in 'Face Plant' started by diesel1959, May 2, 2012.

  1. shaddix

    shaddix Banned

    Mar 6, 2012
    Central AL
    Hey Diesel, nice to see you in good spirits putting up with some of the folks here. Is there anything you'll do differently in the future in these types of situations? Like maybe there's something you could have done to avoid having to make the split-second decision to hit the culvert. I'm very interested in trying to dissect these "no way out" crashes since I'm a new rider.
  2. canoeguy

    canoeguy Long timer

    Jun 14, 2011
    SW Virginia
    Hey Diesel, thanks for the service you provide. I appreciate your choice of cleaning the ditch and leaving another out of it. Hope your recovery goes well.
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  3. dashredder

    dashredder Just go.

    Apr 23, 2011
    Wow does that sound like a mess. Slow motion memories complete with memories of what the concrete tasted like. I am so sorry to hear of your crash. I hope you can get back on duty when you are ready.
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  4. oz97tj

    oz97tj Been here awhile

    Mar 28, 2012
    Fenton, MI
    The fact is there was likely better options than what did happen. Even taking the ditch, a very slight trajectory change could have likely avoided the culvert. However, in the split second everything happens, sometimes things are unavoidable.

    Thats the problem with the armchair quarterbacks on this thread. We all can lecture for hours proper riding technique and such, but things still happen to all of us. Those that haven't crashed, will. Those who have crashed, will again. If you think otherwise, or if you think that you can "always leave yourself an out" to avoid problems then you are fooling yourself. Should you have safety avenues? Should you leave buffers in your riding? Absolutely, but sometimes things occur that are beyond your control and a person is only able to respond so fast. We are all humans and we all make mistakes. It's going to happen.

    I've crashed. It hurt. It sucked. My bike was broke. I will likely crash again someday.
  5. NJ-Brett

    NJ-Brett Brett

    Sep 8, 2010
    Southern New Jersey
    I don't by that.
    I have been street riding since 1976 and never had an accident involving another vehicle.
    I did low side in the rain (drunk) when I first started street riding, and just got a little rash.

    Been riding in all sorts of weather, cross country, lots of long trips, rode to work every day for years, and never had an issue with a car or truck I could not handle.

    Part of that is knowing when and where NOT to ride, part is being aware, and part is being paranoid.

    It really bugs me that people think its ok to expect a crash every year or two or whatever, or that there was nothing they could do to prevent one.
    I seems to me that the accidents that the rider could really not have done anything about are VERY rare.
    I suppose a police chase is a different thing, I have only BEEN chased.
    Around here, 99.9% of traffic stops are used to generate money, no reason to run a risk....
    They are very happy to up the fine and lower the points.

  6. oz97tj

    oz97tj Been here awhile

    Mar 28, 2012
    Fenton, MI
    If and when he does crash, we all can jump in line to tell him how he made bad decisions and how he should have done things differently. Then maybe he'll understand how ridiculous he sounds now.

    You are reading into things a bit and being a bit too literal with my statement. Having worked many motorcycle accident scenes professionally, I can say first hand that most are operator error and could have been avoided. So I believe you are correct. I also don't think anyone should expect to crash or be ok with it, and therefore should do everything in their power to being a better more prepared rider.

    My point was that there are times when things aren't avoidable. Even more specific, a series of events begins to happen and a person is unable to compute the data and respond appropriately in the time frame provided and the outcome is sometimes unavoidable. This could be a deer running out in from of you, or a car pulling out, or as simple as hitting a oil spot on the road. There are far too many variables to predict every thing that will happen during any given ride to always be prepared. In the OPs case, simply changing the trajectory of his bike merely inches could have allowed him to walk away with nothing more than scratches, or killed him. Or maybe not. But he did what he was able to do at the time.

    I made the statement about those who have crashed and those that will to make a point only. If any of us really believed we will be in a major accident every so often I'd bet most of us wouldn't be riding. The thing is we all need to realize that we aren't bulletproof and things CAN happen no matter how prepared you attempt to be.

    I hope that all makes sense. Either way, shit happens. I should also mention, that in my accident I crashed because I became distracted. There were no other vehicles around. I was about 20 miles from another living human to my knowledge. I believe I'm a pretty experienced rider with lots of various training in different types of riding. I would also like to believe I was prepared and had an out or wasn't riding over my head. The reality is a series of minor things snowballed before I knew what the hell happened and was able to respond. Despite my best efforts in trying to regain control, I was bouncing across pavement and then into trees before I knew it. What's odd is I've been on that road too many times to count and have pushed bikes through way worse scenerios numerous times without issue. That time gravity won. So plan to have an out, but it doesn't always work as planned.
  7. diesel1959

    diesel1959 Been here awhile

    Apr 28, 2008
    The bike in question was purchased by me from a Corpus Christi PD officer. He'd put about 72k miles on it in service to his city.

    Gee--that's another city that doesn't provide motors to the officers. Unpossible!
  8. DAKEZ

    DAKEZ Long timer

    Mar 18, 2007
    Begin Op Zoom
    So, you don't believe that he could have or should have done something different and that this was avoidable? I hope this guy heals fast and well... And learns something from this.

    Some people will never get it. I find your posts entertaining. :1drink
  9. Calimari

    Calimari Been here awhile

    May 21, 2009
    San Mateo County, CA
    I think most accidents, with very few exceptions, can be avoided or at least mitigated and involve some element of human error on the part of the rider, especially when examined with the luxury of hindsight. And I've never crashed street riding. So does this all mean that a smug, superior, delighted scolding from me is warranted ever time there is a crash, as if it could never happen to me and as if such is not exceedingly bad form?

  10. robrides85

    robrides85 Been here awhile

    Jan 27, 2010
  11. ObiJohn

    ObiJohn Screaming Banshee

    Jul 22, 2010
    Seattle suburbia
    Sometimes you can do everything right, and still lose.

    Sometimes there is no 'out.'

    Sometimes things are beyond your control, so you do what you can with the best info you have and with the limited time you have... and you either have a close call that makes you marvel at your supreme skill and judgment, or you wake up asking yourself, "What the hell happened?"

    I've been in one serious wreck. There was no out, even if I could have made a decision differently earlier. Maybe there was a subtle clue, but I recognized that only in hindsight and it would not have registered without the wreck and subsequent pondering... in short, useless at the time and even now. It amazes me how fast a person can flip through all of the options, make a decision, and commit to a course of action... in my case in way less than a second... and then knowing that you're fucked keep your head in the game and not give up until the bitter end. In my case there was no time for fear even with the realization that 'this is going to be bad.'

    Those who were uninvolved like to think that there was something that could have been done better, that the accident could have been avoided, if only... and that is just another form of whistling past the graveyard, of rejecting the reality of 'there but for the grace of God go I'. It's how humans deal with cruel capricious fate: 'it couldn't happen to me!'

    Heal quickly, OP... and for others don't ever think it can't happen to you.
  12. Robus

    Robus Adventurer

    Sep 7, 2011
    Chicago burbs
    Diesel that's a terrible crash. Glad you're on the mend and hope you get back to 100% and riding again, if that's what you choose to do.

    The value of a forum like this is that we get to learn from the experiences of others, including mistakes. I've tasted pavement three times, twice my fault, once not my fault in the legal sense. In all three there were things I could have done differently. Frank critiques of the accident reports posted here add value. They can and should be given tactfully in the spirit of helping us all keep safe. My $0.02.
  13. NJ-Brett

    NJ-Brett Brett

    Sep 8, 2010
    Southern New Jersey
    All I can say is I have been riding a long time, and have put on a lot of miles, I do not live in a safe motorcycle riding state, but one that is filled with millions of clueless drivers, yet I have never had a crash involving a car or truck.

    I do not know if I am a very good rider, except from the standpoint of not crashing on the street.
    Over 30 years, and I have been to about 40 states on a bike, in all weather, and no accidents.

    I do not think they could not get me, there are some rare situations where there is no time to react and no pre warning, but I tend to think they are very rare.
    On the other hand, I think there are plenty of riders who are not really paying attention as much as they should be, and not using caution in places where they should, and are even riding in places where they should not be if they want to stay safe.
    I think most motorcycle police are likely better then average riders but placed in high risk situations most of the time, and suspect the crash rate is very high. Plenty of police are injured in car wrecks, bikes must be worse.

    In normal situations, I expect a car pulling out and would tend to be ready, or slow down, or get over, or plan an out, but I suppose chasing someone might change things.
    I would think he had to try and get a tag number, figure out how many people of what sort are in the car/truck, and do other cop type things involved in pulling someone over.
    I think that would push me over the edge, too much stuff to do to stay safe.
  14. AceRph

    AceRph Affluenza Free! Administrator

    Jan 12, 2003
    Where the stupidest people on earth run things
    Good grief. I trimmed more crap out of this thread than all other FP threads put together.

    Knock that crap off. :ddog
  15. eric2

    eric2 ®egister this:

    Aug 13, 2003

    Thanks Ace, i've bit my tongue a few times after being tempted, and actually responded to some of the "experts" who've posted in this thread..

    To the OP, thanks for your service and best wishes for a speedy recovery, I'm no fan of speed traps, but speeding around kids or in school zones is one thing that really pisses me off, and you've likely already saved a few kids lives, which is a noble cause no matter how you slice it.

    I don't understand the armchair analysis from those who weren't there, who made huge leaps of logic, and really stupid statements. 2 lane roads in Texas aren't very forgiving, many don't even have shoulders, and have trees inches from the road. The man was run off the road, and you don't always have an out in that situation.

  16. DaFoole

    DaFoole Well Marbled...

    Jun 14, 2004
    BFE, SW Oregon/SF BayO'rhea
    Diesel, sorry about the crash. Thanks for sharing your experience (awful though it may be). I can only say "there but for the grace of dOg...."
    Not an LEO, but have had some really close calls and try to analyze each thereafter.
    Reading these posts reminds me to keep doing so.
    None of us can predict or plan for all situations and can only hope we can keep our shit together during the situation.
    This often constitutes taking the better of two bad choices, as you did.
    Very easy to sit back and find fault with others split second decisions...("I would have blah, blah, blah") which is ridiculous.
    If you weren't there, STFU.

    Heal fast and thanks for your service.
  17. Tim

    Tim Long timer

    Dec 9, 2002
    Guernsey, Channel Islands, UK
    Hey Diesel, 15 year LEO vet here with 8 years as a moto-cop, hope you continue your recovery.

    My very best wishes to you. :thumb
  18. OR400

    OR400 Been here awhile

    Jan 10, 2008
    Bend Or
    This thread is whats wrong with the interweb. I had to keep reading though. Diesel, my dad was a motocop for ten years and had two offs. No way am I going to list the situations here. He taught me to be a better rider and Im sure your successes and failures will make others better riders as well. Again Thank You for your service and patience.
  19. Scott_PDX

    Scott_PDX Leisure Engineer

    Oct 18, 2010
    Portland...the newer one on the left side.

    Yikes - Sounds like a devastating crash. Glad you survived it, and I wish you the speediest of recoveries (Although at six months and counting, it's probably too late for that).

    What's your prognosis? Are you able to walk, and/or will you be returning to duty and riding a Motorcycle?

    Don't know much about LEO's - tend to avoid you guys ;) but I appreciate your service and sacrifices. Good luck.

    -= Scott
  20. KingRat

    KingRat Retired and Grumpy.

    Aug 24, 2005
    First of all, best wishes for a speedy recovery. :deal


    Never understood the lack of conspicuity markings over there.