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Discussion in 'Face Plant' started by diesel1959, May 2, 2012.
Maybe this will help you.
I wanted to bring something up that was mentioned earlier - the helmet coming off.
Many years ago, I witnessed a crash at Bridgehampton when a friend crashed in T1/2 (125 mph turn at the time).
His full face helmet came off from the force of his impact with the ground, but where the helmet itself did not have an impact.
There was an investigation into the cause of the helmet coming off, wrong size, not fastened correctly, etc. , but it was determined that different helmets have different strap mounting locations relative to the wearer's head/chin/neck anatomy.
Just because a helmet seems to fit your HEAD, does not mean it fits YOU.
People going through tech inspection after that incident had to bring their helmet. The tech inspector would instruct the racer to put the helmet on, and fasten the strap, and the inspector would then try to rotate the helmet forward off the head. It takes quite a bit of force to do this right, and it can be a bit uncomfortable if it fits correctly.
I think they found a few cases where the helmet WAS able to be removed. Usually a different brand for that individual was the solution required.
Something to think about.
Diesel - I hope your recovery continues well !
When I wrecked I went head first into the drivers door, if anything my helmet had never been so snug.
My Grandpa was one of the first CHP officers (back when they wore jodphurs!) He loved his job. He did have a devastating accident with head injuries, but recovered. I hope all goes well with your recovery and you're out doing what you want as soon as possible. Thank you for doing an important job!
I never thought of the point you made here. I have a brand new full face waiting for me at home that I ordered (despite my girlfriend's advice against) I'll have to try the twist motion and see if to fits properly.
While it is true that something can always be learned from any motorcycle accident, here are a few things which are also true:
1) The only way to be absolutely safe on a motorcycle is to not start it.
2) For each of us there is a potential perfect storm of circumstances which would make a crash inevitable, no matter what our riding style or skill level.
3) There are times when a working motorcycle patrolman can't exercise every defensive riding technique available to us leisure riders and at the same time do his job effectively. The lights and siren are supposed to mitigate that risk, but obviously it doesn't always work.
4) There is nothing like having actually eaten asphalt to teach a would-be adviser humility.
A speedy recovery Diesel.
Seems the armchair quarterbacks are forgetting you have a few more variables to process when deciding where you are going to take your 'out' that us civvies don't even need to consider.
For whatever reasons, in North America, the theme seems to favor stealth, not visibility to other motorists.
Couple that with a reliance on emergency lighting that is a bit to great in my opinion, which ties in with Migolitos observations. Locally, the motocops have a pair of strobes buried in the faring lights at the front, and a pair at the rear (and side). Some years the bikes have had terrible visibility even with strobes, seems they point to the ground rather than straight out, so catching sight of them when lighting conditions are not favorable is difficult at best. Depending on the position of the sun, all the lighting in the world is going to get washed out and it comes to being very diligant about what may be coming your way.
"For whatever reasons, in North America, the theme seems to favor stealth, not visibility to other motorists." Excellent way to state it. Can you imagine if our ambulances and firetrucks were proportionately lite up as the average motor.
I'd really like to hear you explain how _not crashing_ is at a different priority level for a policeman
than it is for a "civilian".
I can hardly wait
Traffic cops sometimes park in a very conspicuous position and the result is that traffic slows
down as soon as the cop became visible to the drivers. And traffic remains at the slower speed
as long as the cop is there. We've all seen this, and it is by far the most effective way to keep
the speed of all traffic in an area at or even below the posted limit.
But while that might keep motorists from speeding it won't generate revenue like speeding tickets do.
So you know what the cop is going to do. That's right, he is going to hide so he can then zip out of his hiding spot
and nail you with a ticket. And then when he comes out of his hiding spot, surprise surprise, maybe other motorists might not
immediately grasp that he is on the road since he suddenly appeared out of nowhere. This doesn't do much to increase road safety,
not compared to just sitting out in the open so everyone slows down. But it does generate an amazing amount of cash over an eight hour
shift ( do the math ). It calls into question what is really going on though, doesn't it. I mean, a cop sitting in plain sight makes
everyone slow down and straighten up and fly right, but a cop giving speeding tickets only slows a few people down.
So you can choose from A or B, below.
A = Cop parked in a highly visible spot thereby increases motorist compliance with traffic laws
B = Cop makes lots of money giving a few people tickets while most of the rest of them continue speeding.
Now which serves public safety better ? B, of course. It might also be safer for everyone, the cop
included, because he can probably just sit there and talk on his cell phone and drink coffee and
not need to chase anyone. Except for the shortfall in revenue from fewer speeding tickets, it looks like a win-win to
me for sure.
I am going to assume you meant to select A.
I don't see where the OP said he was hiding behind a road sign looking to nab unsuspecting motorists. He might have been hidden, he might have been right out in the open. What he did say was that he clocked someone going 69 mph in a school zone, which seems to deserve a ticket.
It's all about revenue.
Some places park dummy cars that drivers see and slow down.
Makes things much safer with no hot pursuits occuring which may injure or kill those involved or worse innocent bystanders .....
As someone said, mail him a warning or use the radio.
BTW, no offence to Diesel and hope he heals up fine.
I have been in court, and in my small town, they have court once a week I think, and just paying attention to the fines from people pleading guilty to a lesser charge, I figure they make about two million dollars a year just off fines.
The average fine was around $250.00.
I have no problem with the police handing out tickets for speeding in school zones, but I once dodged an suv who pulled out in front of me by going over the double yellow and I was the one who got the ticket.
The pba gets no more money from me!
If you guys are looking for someone to blame for speeding tickets and such, it's not the police you should go after. they're just pawns in this game. you need to look at insurance companies. they make money off your tickets just like the police. they are the ones who donate $$ and radar/laser guns to the highway patrol.
GEICO alone gives about $20 million a year in donations to state troopers for this.
speeding tickets having nothing to do with accident rates, etc. we all know this. it all has to do with revenue generation.
there i defended the police, how's that.
I think your on to something goatman. Traffic enforcement is all a vast Insurance Company conspiracy. The police are just the unwitting agents of a bigger fraud. Opps, gotta go, the black helicopters are hovering...
Well just because they get free radar guns doesn't mean they have to use them.
They like the $$ just fine
Well, around here, the police are supposed to make less then I do, yet they live in nicer houses, have 5 kids, wife does not work, new truck, new Harley, built in pool, etc. They ALL live like that...
Not far from me there is a state police person who lives in a huge new house, $750,000.00 or more, has a new corvette, a big boat, and parks his state police car in the driveway...
Like that CIA guy who was driving a $500,000.00 car on an $80,000.00 a year pay grade....
.......cut from another post...................... I guess its standard operating prociedure.....
Romulus cops are currently being investigated for corruption, besides being assholes. They've been running a speeding scam on Eureka Road for quite awhile. The court will allow you to plead to "Impeding" or some such thing that carries no points because it's a city ordinance. Of course, the fine is twice what the speed would have cost, but ALL the money goes to the city instead of having to share with Lansing. You probably could have done that to avoid points.
Unfortunately, it seems that the police, from the chief on down, are suspected of skimming off the police budget. The headquarters was the subject of a search warrant a short time ago.
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I think public safety is served much more by the stealth approach, because anyone who speeds at any time must take into account the risk of being ticketed. The "scarecrow" approach will only work as long as the police car is on display, and then only at that location. At all other times, and everywhere else, everyone would know they can speed with impunity.
If you're don't want to pay the county its ticket revenue, just don't speed.
Diesel hope you heal quickly.
Cops get tunnel vision just like everyone else, they are not any different. Running lights and siren gets a person amped up and you tend to focus on getting to your objective. I know I have done it responding to fire/EMS calls. I once responded an accident that involved a cop that blew through an intesection doing twice the speed limit and he had the red light, luckily he t-boned the other car at the rear passenger door. There was about 3 feet of intrusion and the lady in the front passenger seat would have been killed. The cop was responding to a "officer needs assistance" call and stated that he had lights on but couldn't get the siren working, the civilian was cited for not yielding to an emergency vehicle.
Going code 3 does not give you free reign, our rules state you may go 10 over the speed limit and proceed through red lights and stop signs if it can be done safely.
It seems weird to me that motor cops in Texas have to purchase their own bike and then get reimbursed by the department.
Hitting fourth gear on a 1200cc bike is not 55mph but I understand why a person would say they are only going the speed limit. If a person were to say they were going faster then it becomes their fault, therefore workers comp and the insurance company would not pay and that person is screwed.
Stating the obvious but motorcycles are hard to see, even with red flashing lights and a siren to give you more clues.