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Discussion in 'Thumpers' started by Olas, Dec 3, 2007.
you should seek out a 2009 (easy to tell because they are yellow). They are the lowest.
Check out Wilbers suspension, they do lots of lowering kits for the front:
Here's the stuff for the X-Co
G 650 X Country E 65 X 07> 600-0325-01 99,- 500-0325-01 79,- 10 (2 L) 120
G 650 X Country E 65 X 07> 600-0325-02 99,- 500-0325-02 79,- 10 (2 L) 120 Lowering 50 mm / Send fork for reconstruction
G 650 X Country E 65 X 07> 600-0326-01 99,- 500-0326-01 79,- 10 (2 L) 110 Lowering 75 mm / Send fork for reconstruction
G 650 X Country E 65 X 09> 600-0325-12 99,- 500-0325-12 79,- 10 (2 L) 110
G 650 X Country E 65 X 09> 600-0326-05 99,- 500-0326-05 79,- 10 (2 L) 80 For lowering 40 mm/Send fork for reconstruction
Plus their rear shox are tailor made to suit the rider's weight, use, etc. as well as whatever height you want.
Tonight, I received a very special package from Scheffelmeier in Germany.
The pictures don't do his work any justice. They really don't belong on a bike, but as Beauty is when form meets function. Folks, beauty it is...
The front sprocket cover/case saver:
You can see the reinforced nose to protect against a snapped chain breaking your engine..
I am almost sorry it's black anodized...the machine marks are a thing of beauty..
But the real reason for the shipment was the bashplate
It has the rally tool box
Haven't filled it yet, but here's a interior shot with a standard 6" ratchet extension in it
For the love of a nice welding job..
Hopefully this shock can be disassembled:
By looking yesterday at this previous post I was thinking of I might give it the shot and have a decent shop change my sach spring to a stiffer.
I know here a manufacturer EMC who sales shocks and they might do the job if they know the dimensions of the spring of our G650 xcountry. Do you guys know the lenth of this spring? Talking about a 07 model.
Also do you know what size for the progressif hyperpro?
I have a link here: http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Hyperpro-Sport-Rear-Shock-Absorber-BMW-G650-X-Country-/151079657869
Had my first weekend trip with the XCountry. Went up to Victoria's high country for a rally. Made up same racks for the throwover panniers and it all worked well. Bought an airhawk off the flea market, so the seat was fine. Bike handled the load quite well, the front was a little lighter, but nothing dramatic.All in all a success, the 800 is not happy, but I will take him camping next time!.
Tangil Bren near Mt Baw Baw
Freestone Creek Rd near Dargo
Talbotville rally site
And my sprocket cover and bash plate turned up from Scheffelmeier Metal today. Great stuff!
You might ask about a spring diameter, length and spring rate by asking John at Moto-Pro.com. Also leafman.
I'll check with them.
Why do I blame on the spring?
I took my XCo for a two days ride in the Alpes carrying luggages and had difficulties following a mate on the trails. He was riding an F650GS Dakar also well loaded but He seems to be hadling more easily his bike. At first I thought mine was too loaded at the rear ( I'd admit my camping stuff was not the lightest things I could get) but then realized my stuff weight no more than 65 pounds on the rear side of the bike. The troublemaker? Of course as all has said It is the spring which I cranked all the way the preload but not enough.
As I'm sure you already know, trying to get the preload circuit to compensate for too soft a shock spring will eventually blow out the preload on the Sachs. You did not mention whether you were bottoming the shock however, if you were then be careful as you may damage something else like your swingarm, plus it is just not fun to have to slow down over every little bump when a proper shock would simply soak it up.
Now that my Yacugar shock (with progressive spring like a Hyperpro) has a decent spring rate, it takes a LOT to bottom my shock, I've even caught a little air over small jumps a couple of times with luggage "for testing purposes only" :) and it didn't bottom, but my baggage for camping trips weighs only 40 pounds. It only bottomed going about 40-50 mph and hitting a very sharp edged bump. I am SOOOO happy now.
One more thing is that I've complained how poor the stock Sachs shock is, but a lot of that was frustration from breaking my swingarm (with the Wilbers on at the time, but I think it was pre-stressed by the Sachs bottoming). However, over the last couple of years, several shock "experts" have stated that actually it is a pretty decent shock inside, so really I think a cheap 80% solution at a much lower price is just to get a proper spring rate installed on the Sachs. Others like Leafman have a lot of input as to a suggested spring rate, every shock is different and I have not played with the Sachs.
p.s. If you are planning a trip to Colorado soon and it includes the Front Range foothills or plains (especially Boulder to Ft. Collins in the mountains or downstream)... you should check on road conditions first. We have over a hundred roads washed out from our INSANE flooding last week, and many bridges, and some will probably take a year to rebuild. In most canyons there are miles and miles of road completely gone. Myself I am high and dry but others are not so lucky. Areas west of the Continental Divide were not impacted to any extreme degree, it was an upslope on the east side mainly.
Well thanks again for the advice Matt.
Buying a new shock will be the best as you said. Yacugar shock or hyperpro or EMC here will be the solution. But I've spent to much euros this past months on the Xco: aux tank, parts, tyres... ( and a trial bike). At this time my pocket has only loose change so I'll check for the spring. I guess the hard part after getting the good dimension of the spring is to get a hand on a good expert working on the sach. Not easy to find
Guys, what's the view of Wilbers v Yacugar for my XCountry. I have a similar quotation from both suppliers. Wilbers are more common here in UK but Yacugar tell me they sell well in the US Adventure bike market. In both cases the shock will be made to lower the seat by 40mm. I have Yacugar on my R1200GS and very pleased with it. Thoughts please!
My first Wilbers in 06 (R1200GS), I was very happy with. My last Wilbers (HP2) bought early 2012 is a POS in comparison. Not smooth or progressive acting at all. It will go back to the distributor when I have time for a complete teardown. This should not be needed at 1000 miles.
I bought two Yacugar from same distributor, one for my X-Ch and a custom one for wife's X-Co. I don't have many miles on them but the difference is WOW! Smooth, progressive dampening just like my original Wilbers. BTW, I'm way more dirt oriented in my riding so I'm looking for a dirt bike suspension vs. a street tuned setup. And I'm not afraid to adjust the settings.
Thanks for the comments MJS. I'm really not sure which ones to go with. I've only heard good things about Wilbers and know a number of guys very happy with them on R1200GS. Yacugar do not have a big name in the adventure market in UK but I have to say I like them on the 1200. Your experience with Yacugar has made me thing they may be the right tool for my XCo too. I plan to take the bike on a long trip next year where off-road will be required.
Am on holiday at the moment, on 2 wheels, but with pedals this time, so I have time to reflect a bit more.
Any further comments welcome.
My short answer is I tried the piggyback rez hi end Wilbers for almost 3 years and put 2 more stiffer springs on it and it still bottomed out WAY too easily - I've posted a lot on this or check my web page (link in my sig). And yeah I snapped my swingarm on both sides while the Wilbers was on it (google: g650 swingarm), but like I said it was not totally the Wilbers fault since the OEM shock bottomed first, but still...
Ted Porter at Beemershop.com who sold me my custom ordered Wilbers switched me to a Yacugar with a progressive spring and it has been awesome. I don't know if the Wilbers was just defective in its damping circuit but we had a super stiff spring to where the sag numbers were more than fine and it still bottomed.
For me personally I would get a Yacugar (new-ish name brand) or HyperPro, both made of the same parts. Check your measurements carefully to decide what you want for shock mounting length, and stroke. Google for my previous posts on this.
Snooker, thanks for that information and those thoughts. It does tend to swing me back to Yacugar. I'll give them another call and see what they can do for me when I get back from vacation.
Greetings from Brazil! After 3 years waiting for a good condition used bike, I just got a 2009 with only 2.500 miles! I am 5'3" and I´ve raised the front forks about 1", but I´d still like to lower a bit more doing a shock mod. A mechanic specialized in offroad bikes said the safest solution is to put an internal shim in the shock. I see Wilbers sells a ring which I believe is used externally to limit the shock travel and lowers the 2009 shock in 3 cm, which is exactly what I need.
Has anyone done this internal mod or used the Wilbers ring?
The only issue with the bike is the neutral light, it stays always on. The battery has been replaced recently, so could this be the cause? A hope a simple scan and module reset will solve - or what else could it be?
Next weekend I will put it to test offroad - the main reason I wanted this bike is to have a lighter ride for offroad adventures (I also have a F650GS twin). Pictures to follow!
snooker i dont see any info on your webpage about the yacugar shock.
internal spacers to limit the shock from extending is the right way to do lowering. The challenge will be finding someplace that can open this slightly odd shock. Moto Pro in the US
is able to do it, and would be my recomendation if you cannot find a shop in Brazil that can do it. I expect however that you will be able to find a good suspension shop that can do it in Brazil. Try to find someone that machines their own metal spacers and doesn't use the plastic shims, which can degrade over time inside the shock if you ride it hard. to keep the geometry right you should consider having the forks done at the same time. Pretty much the same pprocedure as the shock, but you may need to change the fork springs. If you could use a STIFFER spring in the fork you may be able to shorten the springs, which effectively raises the spring rate.
3 weeks on the X bike and I think it beats my old '01 f650 Dakar fair and square! Lighter, lower c.g., better stability in crosswinds and fast 18 wheelers, better gas mileage and I'm ok with the 175 mile range and 50 miles of Sigg fuel bottles in the panniers if needed. Even w/ the stock Metz. the X tracks better on dirt roads w/ better dampning and more travel, too. Mods so far are my old MotoSport soft rigid panniers which fit on the bikes DirtBagz racks; the ole Wolfman tankbag ( the virtually new factory tankbag is for sale, check PARTS listing); a used univ. fit Slipstreamer windshield w/ its 4 point brackets tied to the triple clamp and to the mirror bases (no need w/ trying to fit the bars) smooth as buttah, solid and quiet! a set of used Moose Contour handguards that also fit w/ the stock bar weights with no cutting or bends and most importantly!! I added foam to lose the scoop and flatten the seat( back to front) and shaved the sides for better ergos! Thanks fellow inmates for the best deals on used stuff, too. I found my X in Dolores, CO, original owner w/4200 miles- came w/ the new tankbag, cover, new DirtBagz and racks and a monster 500 lb capacity reciever hitch rack w/ ramp and tie downs $4200- seemed pretty fair even w/ a far out/far east Loncin motor (no leaks, quiet, low vibes, goes 90, what the hey- thank you Chinese cultural revolution!
Pending payment, the tankbag is headed to Rosa-Brazil!
That is a good deal! If it has ABS it is a steal.