So we've all heard/seen the 650 xchallenge...let's see your XCOUNTRY!

Discussion in 'Thumpers' started by Olas, Dec 3, 2007.

  1. matloik

    matloik kludge

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    I concur. IMHO, a larger shield just wouldn't seem right for this bike. Oh, and don't be afraid of getting those Tourances off-pavement!

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  2. slide

    slide A nation in despair

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    Break in - no steady state riding for a few hundred miles. I changed the oil at 50 miles because I'm strange. Then do the 600 mile oil change also and you're set. There is a check list of other minor checks at 600 miles or you can just let your dealer do it.

    I have ridden several 500 mile days on the x including one day with all freeway miles and that was a 600 mile day.
  3. fronton

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    I appreciate the picture since NOONE that sells windshields puts a freaking zoomed out picture of what the bike would actually look like with their shield on it. For example, the stock BMW shield is much larger in "real" life than I thought when looking at the one picture all vendors have online. I think I'll go with Cee Bailey's either sport or Euro but I am really want to see both zoomed out on a xCountry. Thanks for all your comments so far
  4. Olas

    Olas the darkness

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    Tourances are decent all around tires...wish they were a bit less expensive though. I'd put some on my XT if they were cheaper.
  5. DRONE

    DRONE Dog Chauffeur

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    I’m putting together my tool kit for this summer’s adventures. While I won’t be doing major trailside repairs, I wanna make sure I have the right wrenches on board to do simple stuff.

    Here’s my list of X-Country wrenches–
    • SOCKETS – 6mm, 7mm, 8mm, 12mm, 13mm
    • ALLEN (HEX) – 2.5mm, 3mm, 4mm, 5mm, 6mm, 8mm
    • OPEN END – 8mm, 10mm, 14mm, 15mm, 24mm
    • AXLE – 27mm open end wrench or 27mm socket (edit--these are actually 26mm nuts)

    Am I missing any? Like, for instance, I don't have any Torx wrenches listed, but I haven't found any torx screws that I'd need to get at. Are there any?

    If you're interested in tool box suggestions other than wrenches, you should read or contribute to The Toolkit Thread. I don't want to muck up this thread with a bunch of posts about wire cutters or JB Weld. So for wrenches only – what's missing? Which ones and what bolts do they go to?
  6. Geoffster

    Geoffster Fool - Born This Way

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    Be sure to let the inmates know that the stock nut is 26mm. (Or is it 28? -- I'm not in the garage.)

    Did you replace your stock nuts with KTM 27mm? I have two KTM 27mm (no hole) on my workbench for the BIG TRIP, however, I've left the stock 26mm (or 28mm) nuts in place for now because they have a hole in the middle for my hillbilly prop stand.

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    I plan on buying one of these for the BIG TRIP:

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    Motion Pro T6 27mm Tire Lever

    (I also intend to buy the Auto Club's RV plan that includes motorcycles ...)
  7. DRONE

    DRONE Dog Chauffeur

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    You're right--they axle nuts are 26mm. I already own a 27mm socket and have been using it successfully on those nuts. Guess that's why I forgot they're 26.
  8. giogolf

    giogolf Been here awhile

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    It is my understanding that the 2009 XCo is lower than the 2007-08. However, when I look at the specs they have the same seat height of 34.2".

    Could you guys and gals answer some more Qs for me please:

    1. When you crank the pre-load on the rear shock is it true that it also lowers the rear. I read in article that cranking the rear pre-load all the way results in lowering the bike by 1". Myth or fact?

    2. Are the front shock adjustable or is it only adjustable on the Xchallenge?
    3. What are options for raising the 2009 XCo by an inch front and back? It is my understanding that the front tube have about an inch to move, but unsure about the back. Would you need to get a different shock to raise the back?

    Thanks, Gio
  9. MasterSTi

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    Hi Geogolf,

    I can confirm that you can just slide the front forks down about 1" to rais the front. I have done this to my 2009 XCountry. Feels better to me.

    I'm 6 foot and I feel that the rear seat height is a little low at around 820mm (sorry metric) with front suspension travel of 210mm & rear of 165mm.

    I think the BMW (USA) website is still showing the incorrect 2007-2008 seat hight (870mm) & suspension travel figures (Fr 240mm R 210mm).

    Can you use the fully adjustable Ohlins XChallenge rear shock in the Xcountry?

    Would it bolt in directly?

    Can you use a Xchallenge air shock in the X Country? Might find a used one from an unhappy Xchallenge rider?

    Is the stock shock adjustable for length? Would like about 20mm more travel.
  10. Somber

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    the 09 is significantly lower (nearly 2 inches), believe some of the specs on some of the listings (even some "official" listings) just got pulled over instead of updated... this tracks with the fact that my owners manual reflects some configurations that are true for the 07-08s that don't match what I see when I pull the bike apart (nothing that is going to stop the work or cause you to break stuff or crash, just some fastener types, sizes, depicted cable runs, etc), you would think BMW would have their crap together on stuff like this, but either they were indifferent or inept...

    As MasterSTi said, you can get most of that height change back if you wish by sliding the forks, and adjusting the rear shock "lollipop". I put an aftermarket Wilbers shock in mine, left it just over 1/2" longer than my stock Sachs shock was when I pulled it out, and then slid my forks so the top groove is flush with the top of the clamps - with those two changes I think I'm very close to what I would have had with an 07. My stock shock that I pulled had an adjustable "lollipop" at the top, so MasterSTi - yes you can adust height at the rear though I would recommend getting the shock all the way out of the bike to do so, by the time you would have it pulled apart enough to try to spin things in place, you might as well just pull it out so you can have some room to work - the shock swap was much easier than I expected. Whether there is enough adjustability on the stock shock to match where you put your forks, I can't say, I didn't play around with the stock after removing it to see how much thread was available below stock height.

    About the X-Ch air shock, I'm not going to say you couldn't possibly get it into an X-Co as perhaps that has an adjustment also that isn't bottomed out on the X-Ch, but they X-Ch is significantly taller than even the 07/08 X-Co bikes, so I'm not sure there is enough adjustability to not leave you riding around with your tail in the air even with the front forks max'd and the air shock min'd... It might be totally doable, I just don't know for sure, have never seen the air shock or seen documentation for a comparison...
  11. giogolf

    giogolf Been here awhile

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    Do you guys think the dealer would raise the forks and adjusting the rear shock "lollipop" to raise the rear as part of my, fitting process?
  12. slide

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    If I were the dealer, I'd not due to liability issues. He's opening up himself to a 'gimme' lawsuit if you ever crash.

    I hate this legal system we have. It just stinks.
  13. giogolf

    giogolf Been here awhile

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    Are you saying raising the bike will make it less stable? If so are the 2007-08 bikes more stable because they are raised an inch more than the 09's?
  14. matloik

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    There should be no problem, it is a standard adjustment for the bike -- it is not a case of making an adjustment counter to the manufacturer's recommendations. It is an easy adjustment to do yourself -- I in fact will raise the height of my bike back up a bit as I have my bike on a lift to change a rear flat -- but why not ask for it to be included as part of the purchase?

    BTW, don't try to turn that lock nut and adjustment screw with the rear shock still attached to the swingarm. You need to pull the bolt out of the swingarm; loosen the lock nut; and then turn the bottom eye bolt of the shock to the desired position. Of course you need the right tools, including a rather large hex driver or socket ...
  15. slide

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    I have no idea. I do know that modding the suspension out of the design will expose the dealer to a suit - and the suit will prevail - if you crash. It's a guarantee.

    Reason has nothing to do with it nor does engineering. It's all in our legal system which will kill the dealer if *anything* were to happen to you.
  16. Geoffster

    Geoffster Fool - Born This Way

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    This sounds cool! I looked at my bike and saw what you're talking about.

    How far can you unscrew the "lollypop" without compromising the integrity of the assembly? It seems like a mere 1/4" would result in a ~1" increase at the rear wheel.
  17. Somber

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    well, there are "adjustment" ranges given in a few places for the X-Co bikes, you could do some measuring to make sure you are well within the maximums of the range and then use the ratio (based on the lever arm difference between the shock attachment and the axle like you described) to decide how much adjustment you think is safely left in the shock - that should keep you well within safe margins because it should stay within what BMW would be willing to do for you at their shop... Beyond that I'd want to pull it all the way apart, see how much extra thread there is on the male lollipop rod, and look at how deep the female threads extend into the shock body before I'd do anything outside the normal range...
  18. DRONE

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    I haven't pulled apart my rear end yet, but this info about the lollipop from Somber is a revelation. Does anybody have the Shop Manual? Wouldn't the Shop Manual have info about ride height adjustments? Seems to me that if BMW provides a shock on the bike that can be adjusted for ride height, then it's gotta be OK to adjust the ride height.

    I just finished putting stiffer springs in my forks (.57kg replacing the OEM .47kg) that reduced my front sag by about an inch. Was planning on swapping out the shock spring too. But if I can adjust my ride height in the rear by an inch, that might be all I need.
  19. Geoffster

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    A revelation, indeed! I'd assumed (that d*mn word!) that the lollipop was an assembly point, not an adjustment point. But it makes sense ... if it wasn't intended to be adjusted, it would be part of the casting (or forging).

    If someone has definitive knowledge, please let the inmates know!
  20. matloik

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    BTW, a while back I had my rear shock replaced under warranty. I asked the BMW shop to set it to the lowest adjustment position (so the bike sits teh lowest). The "eye" bolt was screwed in all the way. When I bought my bike it was adjusted to to the hightest riding position. AFAIR, there is about 3/4" of range. I just adjusted it to about mid-way, and dropped the front end by about 7 mm. You guys with '09s might want to find out also if my recollection is correct that the 09 shock is shorter. That might mean the longest rear shock adjustment on an 09 may not correspond to forks fully pulled down.