So we've all heard/seen the 650 xchallenge...let's see your XCOUNTRY!

Discussion in 'Thumpers' started by Olas, Dec 3, 2007.

  1. leafman60

    leafman60 Long timer

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    Lol, yep. It's my 5th or 6th GS with a Stelvio thrown in during the last 5+ years.

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  2. EODender

    EODender Adventurer

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    Does anyone know where I can find a good center stand?
  3. focal

    focal 2009 G650 XCountry

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    Thanks! I ended up going with a XCh air shock to go with the XCh fork internals. The air shock may not be the best bet, but I hope to at least get the height until I figure out the route that fits me for a shock. I haven't installed them yet due to another project, but I think I may jump on the hyperpro springs for the forks this week.

    What route did you go with the front forks?
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  4. waylongway

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  5. lewiss66

    lewiss66 Been here awhile

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    What year is it? It's in my list too but will probably buy an old one to go along with my Xco. I don't know what reliable years I'll have to look for though.
  6. tbarstow

    tbarstow Two-wheelin' Fool

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    They are all reliable years when buying a used GS. Get the latest on year you can afford and RIDE!
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  7. leafman60

    leafman60 Long timer

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    Oh my goodness. I can't let that go. Big BMW's have been terribly beset with reliability problems, especially the GS models. These problems are one reason I took a 5-year break from owning a chain of GS's since 2000.

    Just do some websearching.

    I've owned a succession of them (5-6) since year 2000. I attended several tech sessions at national rallies and kept up with the community during my former GS years.

    Prior to the water-cooled models- final drive failures, abs pump failures, fuel pump controller problems, switchgear problems and many, many more things were leaving riders stranded. It happened to me more than once. Out of a local group of 12 BMW riders, 9 had experienced a final drive failures. One friend of mine with an '07 GS was on his 4th final drive at 60k miles when he traded the bike off!

    I personally like the running characteristics of the pre-water-cooled engines better than the highly refined and smooth character of the newest bikes.

    If you go for one of those models, I'd hedge my bets and try for a later version '11-'12 and start going to church regularly on Sunday. You may have good luck as some riders do and make your way through life with one of them experiencing few issues.

    On the new water-cooled bikes, some of these issues seem to have subsided. I don't hear much about final drive failures these days BUT there are other issues to be aware of.

    There is a huge worldwide recall of all telelever models to correct a design fault with the front fork tubes. The tops were disintegrating under rough terrain usage. A makeshift top collar was developed to slip over and protect the tops for the units that were not severely damaged enough to warrant replacement.

    Lately, there has also been the rumblings and accounts of a problem with rust in the rear shaft drive train. Apparently, water and moisture is migrating into the swing arm shaft enclosure and causing rust. The shafts of some models are rusting.

    The biggest problems result when the splined shafts onto which the shafts locate begin to rust. Ultimately, the splines can give way and require an expensive repair job. Not all bikes are doing this AND BMW has started to paint the driveshafts fitted to the latest production. However, the paint won't protect the splines and the owners should drop the final drive and mop the splines up with grease.

    Another issue to know about is the steering geometry of the GS models. To make the bikes feel even lighter than their weight, the first '13 water-cooled models had very steep steering head angles with relatively little trail. The result was very quick steering. People would ride around a parking lot think the bikes weighed only 200 pounds!

    On the road at high speeds, this resulted in instability. I have experienced this myself with the first water-cooled bikes. The death of journalist Kevin Ash on one of the bikes brought attention to this feature. (I've seen no proof that the instability of the bikes caused his accident.)

    From '14 onwards, the front trail was increased and a steering damper installed to the front forks. The bikes are still relatively quick steering but seem to have settled down better for higher speeds. They are still not as rock-solid, train on rails, stable as other bikes with greater trail, though.

    SO, I would avoid the '13 models. At least be aware of this feature of you get one.

    BMW has tweaked the bikes with other things since '13. The lightweight, quick-spinning, herky jerky, flywheel was increased in weight with '15 models and since. It gives the bikes better tractability on dirt and eases the substantial power delivery of the 125HP engine.

    I have 2000 miles+ on my new '16 model. These bikes are HIGHLY refined. They have almost refined away much of the two-cylinder character.
    You'd almost think you were on a big 4-cylinder bike.

    Electronic wizardry is heavily laden upon the bikes and I have criticized that. However, I am being assimilated into The Borg and I am finding the on-the-fly electronic suspension adjustment feature very seductive. Soften it up for a dirt road and when you come out on a curvy paved road push a button and you have a sportbike.

    Last weekend, I test-rode one of the RnineT BMW's. These are the new bikes that retain the previous non-water-cooled engine. I LIKED it MUCH better than the water-cooled engine. It feels more like a twin than a turbine. They have a model labeled "Urban GS" but I have not seen it yet.

    If I was not seeking a bike very much geared to long distance running, I would definitely prefer the oil-cooled RnineT over the water-cooled Big Gun GS.

    Just my opinions! lol

    caveat emptor

    *** hey, sorry for that long diversion
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  8. DGR

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    @lewiss66 , just to add to the wealth of information leafman already posted; if you're in the market for an oilcooler, I'd recommend trying to find a 2010+ model with the upgraded DOHC engine.
    The difference in power seems really small on paper, but I liked it a lot better than the old SOHC engine.
    Also check if the electronic rear suspenion (ESA) works as it should, it's known to fail.

    Some of the early watercooled models ('13-14) are already cheaper over here than the '10-'13 oilcooled models with similair specs and miles... Resale value often tells you which models to stay away from :lol3
  9. snooker

    snooker AttitudeIsEverything

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    Geez not much action on this thread so I didn't miss much while I was laying on my back for a month. Wanted to give a quick update I am now at week 11 since my accident and I have been starting to walk for the last 3 weeks. I have now been walking in a walker strengthening my legs and trying to get my balance back. It is coming but very slowly. I should be able to go home in the next couple of weeks.

    It's almost time to start thinking about what my next ride will be and whether it will be another beautiful black 650 Xcountry or something a bit newer like a KTM 690 Enduro or a Husky 701 Enduro.
    I still have not seen my bike yet so not sure what it would take to fix her back up or start over on a different X country. Here's a picture of my new 2-wheel ride, sad as it is:

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  10. cgguy09

    cgguy09 Scientiæ Cedit Mare

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    Looking good!!! I'm pretty sure you could upgrade the front wheels on that baby. I think Woody's could probably upgrade you to a 21"
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  11. Dutchgit

    Dutchgit Completely clogless

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    Good to see you up and about Matt !
    I think I'd go for another X tbh. The Husky appeals more than the KTM for me but seeing the maintenance and gear ratios are the same I think I'd prefer the X.

    Or maybe even an AJP PR7 if you can get one. Better gear ratios as far as I recall.
    Good motor too.
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  12. Anders-

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    Or stick a nova wr gearbox in the ktm/husky :-)
  13. Dutchgit

    Dutchgit Completely clogless

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    Well, Shelling out 10 + grand for a bike is something I wouldn't do let alone buying a new gearbox to improve it.
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  14. Anders-

    Anders- 690R

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    Each to their own of course, just wanted to say there's an option at least.
  15. Yukon Ho!

    Yukon Ho! We can go ANYWHERE!

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    I put a 48t rear sprocket on my 701. Adds a few RPM at 70mph but could (and have) done it all day long. Besides the cush rubbers, what's the next mission-critical X part they'll stop making and run out of?
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  16. snooker

    snooker AttitudeIsEverything

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    A buddy recently stopped by. Last time I rode with him he was on a Kawi KLR250 and I was always having to wait for him on trips which gets pretty annoying. But no longer, figuring $14k after mods and he's got more power than the X does. That's a lot of dough however.

    See No Evil...
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  17. snooker

    snooker AttitudeIsEverything

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    As to wide ratio are you mainly saying that low gear is not low enough? The 690 Enduro stock has 15:45 sprockets and a 6 speed.
    Simple looks are important to me and nothing out there that looks like a dirt bike feels as sexy to me as my pure black Xcountry. I really don't want a tall dirt bike like the 690 in fact I would consider putting the 17/19 tires on it which would sound ridiculous to most people. But if it's been done safely before and I trusted the geometry I would consider that. Especially if it was an older model.

    Great news I should be going home in a week or so at which point I will eventually get brave enough to look under the tarp and take a look at the damage for the first time. If I had a couple of you guys living nearby that actually wanted to help me I would be more inclined to try to fix her up. I have a possible local source of another parts 07 X country, and if my engine is not damaged then things are possible.
  18. leafman60

    leafman60 Long timer

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    God bless you.
  19. snooker

    snooker AttitudeIsEverything

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    Seriously what do you mean about the wide ratio issue?
    And thanks Leafy.

    Monday, after 12 weeks... I'm going home!

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  20. Craig Cutright

    Craig Cutright Been here awhile

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    I knew I liked you for a reason!