So, what can we do better next year -- Dakar Coverage?

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  1. PackMule

    PackMule love what you do Super Moderator

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    Interesting comment on the compilation. I'm hoping to speak with one of the people involved on RallyRAIDio. Perhaps I can get some insights. This year the video did seem different than years prior. Really seemed like they blew over the whole privateer aspect entirely. That used to have a nice focus.
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  2. doyle

    doyle RallyRaidReview-ing

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    As far as I can tell, the absence of VW dealt a big blow to the budget of the video production. I'm thinking VW funded more than we realize.
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  3. doyle

    doyle RallyRaidReview-ing

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    Even cell coverage is spotty let alone any reliable internet coverage. The ASO provides it but at a significant cost and as far as I know, only in their tent set up. Sat calls are pricey too. I was trying to set up a pretty significant interview that ended up falling through but to be honest, I was sweating that they were going to give me a sat phone# to call the rider. I don't mind paying, but at possibly $10-15 per minute, it get's pricey for a hobby.
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  4. VxZeroKnots

    VxZeroKnots Long timer

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    I hear you, that is what I figured.
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  5. jeep8

    jeep8 Been here awhile

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    On board video from a bike(s) would be interesting, like going down the giant hill, or thru spectators who are too close, entire specials, riding thru the camps(bivowac), even the liasons. Maybe with the rider mic-ed. Maybe its out there and I don't know where to look. I have been watching the dakar on tv for years and this is the first time on a lap top. I appreciate all the work that went into this,great job.
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  6. Michelangelo

    Michelangelo 2 wheel rider...anytime..

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    Well said. I/we have enough of the nanny government telling us what we can or can't do, say or think; the last thing I want is a public online forum becoming the same with overzealous moderators and dictators!

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  7. doyle

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    That's the first I've heard of the racing mods at being overzealous. :lol3 I've been hanging around long enough to know that there is Jo momma and then there is the rest of the site and Jo momma continues to exist for a reason and part of that reason is why it is separated from the rest of the forums. The moderation hand here is pretty light, but after 20 pages of calling Despres and Petehansel a dick, enough was enough. I wasn't censorship, it was the voices of reason culling crap to get the conversation kick started again.

    Think of the mods as the supremely generous Paulo Goncalves digging the conversation out of the mud for it to get going again at full speed. Like Goncalves, the mods do their job, smiling and unthanked.
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  8. Boondoggle

    Boondoggle Whom it May Concern

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    :stupid

    If you have an axe to grind, the friendly folks in JM can sharpen you right up.

    Once the point is made, there's no point in cluttering up a thread, especially when there's a race on. The odds are, if you've had to repeat yourself three or four times already, nobody really cares what you think anyhow. PackMule did a generous job of letting things go until everyone had had their say (and then some), but he was absolutely correct to chop it off.

    There's a place for all the off-topic arguments anybody wants to have. Rather than whine about "overbearing" mods, you might want to check your own footing.
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  9. Sparrowhawk

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    I've read most of the posts here and thought about it for a while. I can't think of anything substantive that could be done next year to improve coverage.

    Some of the negativity and nationalism detracted from the experience but this is an open forum and there's no effective way to only screen out the jerks without losing good content also.

    More hours in the day would help as would being able to suspend work and family obligations for 14 days.

    Thanks to everybody who contributed to an absolutely fantastic time. We had Ned, Jonah, Cody, and others to cheer on. We had Robby, starting gate, mudgate, watergate, lots of in-depth information on the bikes and cars, details on this year's rules, photos and videos, controversies, success stories, gut wrenching disapointments, learned foreign languages (pendejo), learned the definition of a reatard chariot, found new music, had a close race to near the last day, crazy weather, drama getting everthing off the ships, and so much more. I couldn't ask for more.:clap
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  10. Brimstone

    Brimstone Super Duper n00b!

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    Quote of the year so far!
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  11. ian408

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    It's Pep...
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  12. Myway

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    So,...........................

    Some said some not,................


    The race:
    Following it.
    Mischa did again a great job. And it is awsome. And listed wishes too .
    But liked the idea off a second independed racingboard, there two in the Netherlands now.
    So one fails the otherone runs, many reporters used it during the race for comment,
    RaceRiskmanagement.

    Lots of people following the top riders and hoped not to be 205. Looks like a race on ADV.
    The establised F5 crew find not top10 riders information on position, not easy too find background story.
    This takes time to check and following the race



    ADVer:
    The lurkers, fine, someday they mix up. Was one too.
    Those, these, the ADV Dakar is a international thread.
    There some ADVer who dig up search for stories, background information, this takes a lot off time, but like the stories off the established crew wo has the skills too regulation and rules,:clap.
    The science off knowing where too look.

    Lurker next year take a project, a rider, foto, local news, country (translated english) and do some digging, you see that Dakar gone live more in your mind. All small projects makes a biggy.

    Tryed to do this the last year, take and give.

    Then there must come out a more informational firehose,..................

    This all give the dakar more intensity.


    Riders:
    Riders make the stories, nice too hear the ins and out.
    A good not basic question, give use a good impression.
    It's a shame that we do not know and have too find out the riders in the classes.

    Aso mail. perhaps.
    Nice too see races in a race.

    More women riders wanted,....................and in the casting crew.
    Shame that i do not understand Alina well, nice turning of facts, hey, official dakar shirt is expensive. ha.
    Asked the seller. Dakarfun.

    Radio:

    Rallyradio,
    3 weeks live braodcast.

    How:
    Am i dreaming. Maybe experimental.
    Music, that fade away when talking notes. Music delays between them.
    Is it possible to make from text voice.
    The established crew has a separate official website screen with star boxes, important news the give three stars done that the program broadcast it. And a replay button 1 2 3 times over a hour So a webradio with spoken notes from the official dakar race thread.

    So that hayduke can print his F5 t shirts.
    And write a note when he can.

    TV:
    Llike to have 1 hour only bikes. Eurosport or what ever.
    More privateers in action. I like to live 1 categorie intensively, bikes, and not from all some. I saw that i turned eurosport down, to do something else when truck appeared, okay looked with a half eye.

    Hoped that more TV stations send out HD quality streams. Like TN argentina, TVpublica had the start, TV peru the finish, in low quality. Perhaps now write these stations if start finish is know for next year. There goverments spend so much money in the Dakar and missed the oppertunity too broadcasts it properly too the world. Marketing faillure.
    Now i know about peru.

    Video:
    I saw so much camera's in the crowd during the race and so less on the internet. There, i hoped too find more privateers riders to pop up.

    Foto:
    Behind the scene, last year i liked a reportage of a guy that mostly only maked pictures of the crew route, what happend in the surroundings. Nice shots, missed it this year.


    Social media:
    Separation off bikes cars and trucks.
    Their groups all over the world, mostly canalazation all dakar news.

    As we are bike forum,....................
    Stick too one categorie.

    Twitter:
    There twitter accounts, that twitter all.
    But their also twitteraccounts that do only bike information
    Riders, rallygroups, rallyradio, and such bike orientated groups, individual during thes weeks.

    also canalazation of bikes twitteraccounts on a separated webpage.

    #
    only bikersinformation
    not everyone use # dakar or such
    i tried a twittersearch on name riders, their popped up some intresting things, some rubbish too, names are common.

    But every time to type those names, only for me others can use that too.

    All ridersnames in a fill in webpage, twitter names bikes only

    Their popped up some nice facebook pages, with pics an stories.


    Then on wegpage three-six colloms
    North america, south america, europe, asia/russia. africa australia. Continental twitter, Dakar bikes only streams


    Facebook:
    In the list on the webpage



    ADV webpage:
    Only updated on dakar times.


    What would you do if there was no base ADV forum.
    also and, mischa page, if we did not have that, how would it be in the firehose this this year.

    So for the better things, a good base is the..............................:wink:


    So too all ADV programmers, hope you all can give us the base for a next more exceptional, intensive, qualitative Dakar 2013. You got a whole year,

    Open a thread:wink:


    Sorry for my language failures, as i normally.....................also use one finger f5.so the otherones are.......now i wrote some down what comes up, crashed a few times and never looked over the shoulder if some car/truck is coming. So just use the sentinel....................

    Just some thoughts.:huh


    If you do not understand, just ask and i do my best to explain what i mean.
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  13. PackMule

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    Goncalves had a ton (maybe every stage?) of helmet cam video last year. I'll see if I can dig it up.
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    PackMule love what you do Super Moderator

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    As Flood mentioned either here or in another thread, one of the truly fantastic things here on ADV is how "free" the discussion is. Oldtimers will lament that it's not like it was in the "good old days". but there aren't 100 people around the campfire any more, either. Finding the balance point is the trick.

    Things slipped from discussion to disrespect for a bit. One post from me with a request to mind our manners, and nothing more needed to be said. I appreciate that immensely, especially with the energy and emotion that this event brings out in people, and I think it reflects well on the type of community that we have here. Thank you, all.
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  15. dtysdalx2

    dtysdalx2 PITA but useful

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    Fly us all down there and help support in any way we can, pits, motor changes, recon, catering, etc...
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  16. doyle

    doyle RallyRaidReview-ing

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    Also worth a look up is Pedro Bianchi Prata. He always does a ton of helmet cam stuff, nice quality too. He had a quiet rally this year with a lot of stages in the 40's and 50's placements.
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  17. PackMule

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    Fantastic input, Myway! :webers

    Really enjoying everyone's suggestions here. Lots to take in and think about. Many things that I've been thinking about for a long time, and some new great ideas, as well.

    Still playing catch up "in the real world", but we've got time to lay a roadbook ahead of us. This year highlighted some interesting possibilities.

    Keep it coming, all. :beer
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  18. PackMule

    PackMule love what you do Super Moderator

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    That struck me this year, too. Any of our Nomads friends know what's up?

    EDIT: Looks like Goncalves' videos that I was thinking of are posted under the BianchiPrata team youtube. :thumb

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  19. Myway

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    But who is the fixer?
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  20. Dread Pendragon

    Dread Pendragon Don't look back

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    I think the moderating was just right. You might have reasonably stepped in sooner, but you erred on the side of letting things be while putting at ended to what needed to be stopped.

    I'm a fan of not ruining a good thing by trying to make it perfect.

    Cross-posting: we need more of it. Unimportant stuff, yes, we can encourage people to not dump everything into the main thread. But once I got behind the snowball I put my time into the main thread and had to leave some of the other threads alone for a while. When I finally got a chance to read them I was surprised to see some pretty significant content that never made it in to the main thread. I'm less worried about 10 more pounds of pressure in the firehose than missing important things. I say people should be encouraged to cross-post anything that people in the main thread would want to read/see.


    If planting a Team F5 person in the bivouacs each night isn't possible, I think just trying to arrange for more information for the people already there is close enough. Think about how significant a few tweets from Team Dakar GB racers were. Just getting the people already on the ground there to share the information at their fingertips seems like it would provide bang for their buck. What if Team F5 bought a rider (or support person) a GoPro camera & data card and gave them a way to get the the data relatively easily? Could we get Scotty Breauxman to do our bidding? Maybe we could talk SpeedEnergy into doing some coverage on the bikes (they put together some great videos on the cars!).


    But that's the challenging part: how to get photos or video back to the U.S. via the interweb when that's a lot of data to upload. (Having Ted there solved the problem for this year's Dakar, as did Neil there in person). Twitter pictures helped a lot too.