So, what can we do better next year -- Dakar Coverage?

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  1. Brodovitch

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    That would be awesome. I think Quinn (and the unfortunately AWOL in the future Jonah, and Bill) are all guys that were sadly missing from this year's race.
    Sadly because -like Ned- I get the impression that they are fantastic ambassadors of the sport as people

    Good points by Jaybo and Packmule, I would suggest waiting for Ted's book to come out as well, I
    think it is going to open up a a can of worms (in every good sense of the phrase) as to what inmates
    will want to be let in on during the race (The "Inside the Helmet" factor. Good term)

    The US market really needs the exposure right now, seeing as the usual contenders (Spain, Portugal, France Italy)
    are all heading for financial melt-down, and taking into consideration that 99% of the Dakar are the privateers (something
    the money-grabbing ASO would have us forget), it would only be a good thing for North American riders.

    just my 0.02€
  2. PackMule

    PackMule love what you do Super Moderator

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    Folks interested in the logistics of coverage, DO NOT miss this interview with Ben Constanduros, voice and producer on the Official ASO dakar video feed...

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    (Editor's note: THANK YOU, Ben, for taking the time to speak with us. As an "amateur" journo, having the opportunity to speak with the professionals like yourself, Toby Moody, and others is as much a treat as speaking with the competitors. Cheers!)

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    (Photo credit: benconstanduros.com)

    We get an insider's look "behind the curtain" where the ASO produces the video feed for the Dakar Rally with Ben Constanduros. If you've ever marveled at the stunning images from the rally, you'll be amazed by the logistics required to get them worldwide in a matter of hours from a race day that spans hundreds of kilometers. If you've ever been frustrated by what's been show (or hasn't been shown), insight, too, on that. Thanks, Ben! Hardcore Rallye Tragics, don't miss this one. Many of your coverage and media related questions, answered. :mully

    You can follow Ben on twitter @BenConsty, or check out his site and blog at http://benconstanduros.com/blog

    <script type="text/javascript" src="http://player.wizzard.tv/player/o/j/x/132754771338/config/k-db73a94bf51fd515/uuid/root/height/360/width/640/episode/k-bafad074ad55c8bf.m4v"></script>

    Direct download: http://traffic.libsyn.com/rallyraidio/12D26.mp3


    Blog excerpt: http://benconstanduros.com/blog/dakar-review
  3. ian408

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    Thank you for this. Brought back some memories for me (I worked for ACTV/ESPN for America's Cup)--so many of the same issues. Especially the feed part :lol3

    Thank you again!
  4. cyborg

    cyborg Potius Sero Quam Numquam

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    Very nice podcast PM and Ben!! Great information! :thumb :beer
  5. Mickldo

    Mickldo Been here awhile

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    Love the F5irehose and all that goes with it. What we had this year (and in years gone past) has been great.

    I would like to see an English version of the http://www.rtve.es/alacarta/videos/dakar/

    Even though I can hardly understand a word they say I like the hour long shows with their studio panel with guests and their in the field reporting as well as the official ASO feed.

    Either a TV show or a web show or a panel of experts radio show would be good. It is a matter of organising it all making it commercially viable though. But then again the rtve guys seem to do it OK.

    The Rally Radio call ins are great. If there was a way of getting all the Go-Pro footage off the riders and edited and uploaded quicker........

    We also need a few more French speaking and Spanish speaking inmates to translate for us.
  6. Flood

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    Thanks for the input! :thumb

    Yep, RTVE has great coverage, shame that my Spanish sucks. And they're the state-owned TV station, so they have accordingly deep pockets and get the official video feed (actually Ben told us in his interview above that they have to be ready by afternoon so that RTVE can go live at 8 PM).

    A big +1 on the French inmates. We got tons of great info way earlier than any English speaking media this year by getting breaking news translated from Spanish, Portuguese, Norwegian and Dutch members. There's a big hole when it comes to French coverage on ADV, though. It's obviously mostly a language thing
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    This stuff is amazing, real nice to have this perspective and really helps wrap your head around what it takes for us to get the footage we do.
    Hopefully some folk that constantly complain about the coverage will read and listen to this.

    But someone please tweet him that Dakar is in fact a city not a country :D
    oooh and that that bike on the dune is #187 :deal
  8. Flood

    Flood F5lood.

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    It took master doyle only minutes to prove the case.
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    haha :clap :clap :clap
  10. paulk46

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    what about it Carlton, Toby,yourself,an ex-Dakar rider ( please not Charlie Boreperson) in the studio with an 1hr long daily show, oh yes alright you can cover the cars n trucks for 10 mins. who do we write to,
  11. PackMule

    PackMule love what you do Super Moderator

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    Did anyone (Dread?) get Carlton his F5 shirt yet? :freaky


    I very seriously thought about doing a live "radio maray" type panel radio show. I think the technology exists to do it in a reasonable fashion. What I couldn't solve, though, is how to do that without gutting the live coverage here. I just can't focus on having a conversation (let alone facilitating a multi-participant roundtable) while scouring the web for updates and posting to the threads. I've had some skype chats with various F5'ers while coverage was running and it was challenging, so say the least. :dunno

    :lobby
  12. Dread Pendragon

    Dread Pendragon Don't look back

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    I think it was one of the first ones Hayduke shipped off. I don't know how long it takes to get to England, though, or if Carlton received it yet.
  13. Carlos M

    Carlos M www.motoxplorers.com

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    I can tell you that's impossible :D I have pretended to have a conversation with my wife and I have pretended to facilitate multi-participant roundtables (receiving friends for dinner) while scouring the web for updates and posting to the threads and it didn't work. At all. :D
  14. Evil Invader

    Evil Invader Been here awhile

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    +1 :lol3
  15. PackMule

    PackMule love what you do Super Moderator

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  17. Myway

    Myway Long timer

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    What is better this year?

    What is your project?


    10 pages till now, with lot of ideas.:wink:


    What can we expect?
  18. Flood

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    Thanks for bumping this, I re-read everything.

    We did the most unimaginative thing this year - throwing more manpower at the problem. :D

    Thankfully, Troy and Doyle stepped up and are willing to help out in the mod squad. The basic problem is still that this is all a volunteer operation, every one having jobs and families to take care of. The ADV team F5 experience will always be something completely different from a commercial, edited news organization. But thanks to Baldy, we also don't have to make our sponsors happy and we don't have to stop our broadcast to show Darts or Curling or Football (and yes, ad-supported forums do experience pressure to censor content that's not in line with the advertiser's "public image").

    Moderating the Dakar mostly means sifting through the Firehose and the other threads like Pyn's and the media thread and trying to produce something useful in the Cliff Notes thread. In the last two years, the result was a bit of a hodgepodge of unrelated info. I hope that with more hands on deck, we can get a bit closer to the ideal of telling the day's story without the checkpoint-by-checkpoint numbers game that is a lot of fun during the stage but loses its relevance a few hours later for those who can't follow every minute.

    There's usually no need to censor/moderate much in the Firehose, apart from a reminder or two when the bashing gets too wild. And I'm not comfortable with removing people's post just because it's the 3rd time someone posted "Despres is at WP6!!!". When it happens to me, I usually delete my own post and we could remind people that doing this themselves would be the polite thing to do.
  19. Brodovitch

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    Congrats to Doyle & Troy
  20. doyle

    doyle RallyRaidReview-ing

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    Great point and one that I've noticed more and more posters stepping up to do in last year. For a while, it was fun to win the race to post the information, but with so many more people involved and engaged now, it's harder and the posts mount up much too quickly. Self moderation of redundant information is key to keeping the flow relevant.

    We've come a long way from the 2006 thread's 420 posts and 30,748 views to the 2012 thread's 14,634 posts and 1,088,105 views so perhaps I'll add the friendly reminder for everyone to think about quality of posts rather than quantity of posts. After a certain point, it's near impossible for anyone to keep up with.

    2012 - 14,634 Posts - 1,088,105 Views
    2011 - 12,452 Posts - 867,072 Views
    2010 - 7,138 Posts - 545,872 Views
    2009 - 3,362 Posts - 316,096 Views
    2008 - 714 Posts - 71,232 Views
    2007 - 1327 Posts - 76,082 Views
    2006 - 420 Posts - 30,748 Views