So what did these guys do wrong?

Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by ironkique, Sep 12, 2010.

  1. LuciferMutt

    LuciferMutt Rides slow bike slow

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    Dude.
    :eek2At least it's not a GSXR1K. I soooooooooooo want one of those little 'tards! Hopefully the MSF sorts him out.
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  2. Uncle Pollo

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    First guy forgot to look where he was going. All went to hell.

    Second guy opened full throttle on full lean. Hilarity insued.
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  3. SgtDuster

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    Fixed for ya! :evil
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  4. ironkique

    ironkique Been here awhile

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    I did ride it and it is a nice little bike. Doesn't have the power of my KTM but it will cruise at 70 and get 70 mpg. Nice...
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  5. ironkique

    ironkique Been here awhile

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  6. anotherguy

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    You've all missed the obvious. The camera alters the force of gravity and will cause an otherwise safe navigation into a yardsale.
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  7. DavidKXF

    DavidKXF Been here awhile

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    If you ask me the camera man should be banned from there and none of these crashes would have occurred.
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  8. anotherguy

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    Yep. That too.
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  9. RottenScummyTroll

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    Sounds similar to a buddy of mine who learned to ride a couple seasons back. Granted, his first time out was on my KLR which was a bit tall for him, and not the easiest to take off from a stop for a n00b.

    Here in the States where over half the population can't even drive manual transmission cars, I think mechanical function awareness is especially low. Show folks something with a clutch and carburetor, and it's like teaching a baboon to use a Macbook.

    Nowadays my buddy is a pretty solid rider. Still short-shifts like crazy (hasn't really figured out the powerband thing) but he's capable and safe, and knows his limits and that's good enough I reckon.
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  10. Tepi

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    That buell guy, ouch, his ankle does a nice 180 degree turn when his sneaker grabs the asphalt. I'd say that roadrash comes 2nd.

    And those car drivers on some of those videos, man they're just idiots! Almost nailing bikers with stupid Initial D and Need for speed driving style, no care for anyone coming on the same road.
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  11. BikePilot

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    What did they do wrong? Everthing and they are idiots. Imho none of them were going very fast - maybe faster than the speedlimit, but even that's not obvious (and I can't say I'd be going as slow as any of them :lol3). Mostly they just suck. #1 guy skids the rear brake and doesn't try to turn. #2 guy has the world's worst body positioning and wacks the throttle. He's going slow, but the bike's leaned over 'cause he's hanging off the wrong side. #3 guy also is an idiot with the body positioning and tops it of with a gigantic handful of brake.
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  12. tigerboy

    tigerboy Tight as a Tiger

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    First page : Both those guys were very lucky with their get-offs and were miraculously in accidents they could walk away from. Especially that second guy, the way he landed he could have easily crunched both his feet, ankles and all, going months before walking again normally. I'd love to crash like that.

    Now the Buell...

    Hell, I didn't think it was possible under those conditions to tuck the front end at that kind of lean angle, what, 20° ? Sunny day, no road debris that I can see, tire screech suggests he did not hit gravel or anything.

    I've used the front brake many times with that kind of lean angle (not grabbing a fistful, mind you). Wow, maybe I'd better rethink that.

    That might explain why I've lost the front end in the last two times I've gone down. Cold tires were partly it, and surface was somewhat slick or rough in both cases. I wish I could remember if I actually used any front brake. I think I must have. Wish I knew because I don't want it to happen again, then develop a fear to lean the bike. :huh

    Damn. :eek1
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  13. lemieuxmc

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    I've commented on these videos previously because they truly illustrate the folly of trying to use technology to out pace stupidity... ABS, DTC, Stability Control, you name it, it just won't work!
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  14. jackflash

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    I have been riding for a very long time, about from 5 years old. Grew up riding dirt, then moved to street, then back to dirt/street mix. What amazes me is most people have never ridden in the dirt. They go by a street bike with little to no experience, that most likely has to much power, and when something small happens they panic and fall. I think it's crazy not to start out on dirt, with a reasonable size bike. When people tell me they want a bike and I know they have never ridden, I tell them to get a, smaller than they want, DS and offer to take them out into the country to ride some dirt.

    Not saying I have never fallen/crash, I have many many times (90% in dirt though). Although I have never fallen/crashed on the street because of something I did or failed to do and I think it is because of the skills I learned in the dirt.

    Maybe I am wrong though. I am awesome.
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  15. Aussijussi

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    As someone pointed out, these guy's werent going fast at all, for a minute i thought it was all done for the camera's, if they drop bike at those speed's, they shouldnt be on public road's. I go faster on my driveway!
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  16. LuciferMutt

    LuciferMutt Rides slow bike slow

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    Really hard to judge speed, and more importantly, the tightness of the corner from a camera.
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    Tripped1 Likely Lost.

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    thanks for the sig line.
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    they should rename that curve to darwin's corner.
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  19. lemieuxmc

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    It's not a very hard corner, the pavement is pretty good, and there is an endless parade of squids going by. Did you see any Harleys crash on that video?

    I first rode that in 1975 on a CB 350 and it was fun, but I noticed one particular spot near the Rock Store with a 90 degree turn and a rock monolith on the outside (full of scrapes) and the shoulder glittered with broken glass and bits of chrome plated debris. Back then, the squids were on RD 350's, now they are on R-1's that can go zero to disaster in 3 seconds flat. The road and the rock haven't changed, except the scrapes have blood smears and the debris is all plastic and carbon fiber now.

    The reason so many guys low/high side coming out of it as a left is because there is an uphill straight that way and they think they can give it heavy throttle on the exit, but the bike has too much power at that angle of lean.

    The people who blow it going into the turn are target fixating at the view over the guard rail at the end of the previous uphill straight where they were on the gas (because it's a pretty steep hill) but it levels out for the turn and they realize that they are carrying more speed/inertia than they expected.
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  20. AlpineGuerrilla

    AlpineGuerrilla Been here awhile

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    I don't think so, the camera is just the tip of the iceberg. There's a big parking space with lots of people watching you - every squid needs an audience, right? In german, a curve like that is called "Applauskurve", which literally means applause curve if you haven't figured that out yet. :lol3 Nice riding is applaused, as well (especially) as crashes.

    When I've been to California last October, I visited that stretch of road, too, and photographed it, as I've known rnickeymouse's videos before. The bend looks more dangerous when you're there, it's relatively steep and with a lot of dirt and sand on the road. I couldn't figure out why anybody would try to get as low as possible on a road like that..

    (Yes, I rode that hideous thing, because I couldn't rent anything else as under 25 dude from Europe)

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