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Discussion in 'Battle Scooters' started by Dismount, Mar 20, 2012.

  1. Dismount

    Dismount Boring bastard

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    I'm doing a pretty substantial health change thing at the moment. I believe I've decided to go scooter as a reward for whenever I get to my end goal. I know I want a maxi, but I have no idea which one.

    Not that it's something happening soon, but what the hell. It don't hurt to yak about such things.

    6'1, 32 inch inseam, I don't expect to be spending any money till I'm at 250 or below..... so a couple of years away. :lol3 I'll be doing the saving up thing to pay cash for whatever it is as well.

    I've perched on a 650 and 400 burger. Liked em both. Maybe the 400 a little more, but not a great amount for comfort.

    Seen but not sat on a silverwing.

    Never even seen a tmax.

    Last scooter type contraption I rode was a moped in my teen years. All duty, commutes, short, twisties, carrying lots of crap, etc etc Suggestions? Comments?
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  2. Dismount

    Dismount Boring bastard

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    Oh. I'm slow. Speed means fook all to me. I like to poke along and see what's where and what's over the next hill. I only worry about keeping up on the interstate at Maybe 5 over. 10-15 if I need to pass someone.
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  3. btcn

    btcn Long timer

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    For interstate, you can't never go wrong with a 600-650 cc. The sacrifice, is a bit more cost, and lower MPG [more like 30-48 MPG], BUT, much more power, and way better in the freeway with a twin vs single and more weight.


    The 400 class is ok on the highway but not the best. There speedometers read about 10% optimistic. SO, the actual comfortable highway speeds on the Burgman 400 of about 70-75 MPH, is really only about 63-67.5 MPH! It will do an actual 70-75 MPH ok but it'll get buzzy and possibly a bit annoying, espically up steep hills into strong headwinds on the highway.

    The 600+ cc, is more of a motorcycle scooter. The advantages of a scooter, but a bit more weight, and comfortable as hell at 70 MPH true without braking a sweat. A top speed of about 105-110 MPH.

    The Silverwing is smooth and a great scoot, typical Honda.

    The Burgman 650, is hi-teck. It has many cool features, and it has a kick ass transmission, allowing you to shift it like am manual tranny [well push button activated], or you choose between economy mode [lower RPMs for good MPG] and sport mode [high RPMS, less MPG, tons of power on tap].

    All have great storage, with I think the 400s slightly more storage, but all have tremendous understeat storage. The 400s get MPG in the 50s-60s MPG, the 600+ about 40 MPG +/- depending riding style and locations.


    Personally test rides when the time comes wouldn't hurt. See what suits you best.

    The T-Max I don't know too much. It's a twin with a dummy 3rd cylinder to smooth it out. But it also
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  4. windburn

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    2007 Honda Silver Wing

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  5. Tacoma

    Tacoma Been here awhile

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    The Honda Silver Wing with its small diameter tires is unstable and hard to handle at high speed highway speeds plus on rough-uneven grade roads its much worse
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  6. scootermann

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    So... if you have a couple of years to decide, you may be able to read all the different opinions on what is the best scooter... some folks go for comfort; some think anything less than a 600 is a waste; or you can get by with a 150; some think that you need to beat anything on the road and others think that you need to carry all of your belongings with you at all times.

    Here's my take; you have time. Go sit on every scooter you can. Ride any scooter you can. I don't know how experieced you are, but if not, take the MSF class. It's like trying on hats; eventually you will find one that fits and looks good on you.

    For what it's worth, I have a Majesty 400 and it does highway speeds just fine (I'm 6'2" 190lbs), and I ride it 2-up in the mountains without a problem.

    You will find what you want and then you can begin "farklization."

    Good luck, and keep us posted.
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  7. Dismount

    Dismount Boring bastard

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    I've been riding one thing or another since I was 13 or so. :D Riding a croooozer right now. :lol3 I like it, because it's a motorcycle, but there is a lot I don't like about it as well. The scoots just seem to nail what I'm wanting to do. Comfort, ease of use, storage.

    Yeah, plenty of time to decide. The healthy living comes first, then the shiny toys.

    Test rides are few and far between here. I've seen exactly one burger 400 that I could have test rode as it was used. No silverwings or tmaxes at all. The 400 was there for about a day, was used, then ran out the door with someone else before I could ask for a test. It was super comfy, and I really liked the instrumentation and ergos.

    Don't think I've ever seen a new maxi-scoot, or new scooter of any kind come to think of it at any of my local dealers. Cruisers, sport bikes, and quads.
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  8. fullmetalscooter

    fullmetalscooter Let me take this duck off

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    Find what you like. myself I like the helix and I m almost the same measurements health wise and size wise. Some people ride 50 cc in town and some can stand to be going slow at all. 4 Years from now whom knows what going to be on the market. BMW scooters etc. Ride as many as you can at dealerships and go from there.
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  9. btcn

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    I have both a Cruiser, an 85 Honda Shadow 700, and a smaller scooter, an 86 Elite 150.

    I love cruisers more than anything, the sound, feel, torque, comfort, etc. Espically Harleys, I's saving up for me a Harley this summer.

    But, it is really hard to beat all the convinence a scooter brings. Storage. and don't forget the big floorboard, easy to put a 24 pack there, and I's carried bags of mulch, etc on mine. And the automatic? Awesome. While shifting is fun, it does get old after a while, particularly in a city, up hills, and espically 2 up. For some reason, I find scooters are hard to beat 2 up a lot of times.


    The 400 is just fine for some highway riding, espically commuting, and 2 up, etc just about everything else.

    But, if your fixin to do a lot of interstate day trips, just do yourself a favor and go with a 600. Taking into account the Burgman 400's 10% optimistic speedometer its not that nice on the freeway.

    If I was you you can also read on them Burgman USA forum. From what I's read, the 650 is MUCH nicer on the highway. The 400 will run at like 6,500 RPM at only 65-70 MPH and near redline [8K] at 7,500 RPM at 80-85 MPH where as the 650 is more like my Shadow, at only 4,000 RPM, and will do 80 MPH at 5,000 I am not sure if those are actual or indicated speeds though. The 650 is a twin also, making it perhaps more smooth. Nicer features with the tranny too and frame mounted engine.

    But you got plenty of time, do your research try test rides see what you like.
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  10. Dismount

    Dismount Boring bastard

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    I currently ride an 05 C50. It's happy at 55mph. Anything over that and it starts feeling buzzy and overexcited. It's not, but it sounds and feels that way. The tank also tends to spread your legs nice and far apart so anything over 55 and you're fighting the wind on the inside of your knees. The shaft drive tends to limit your re-gearing options as well. Unless you want to pay someone 600$ for a reworked final off of a c90.

    That's fine for a few minutes. 5 hours.... not so much. :lol3

    When I bike commute regularly, it's only 5 miles to work. From there I can be sent as close as 5 miles away, or as far as 120 depending on what breaks that day. On the recreation side of things, I pretty regularly piddle on the back roads, like the ones in this thread.

    http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=343215&highlight=hate+virginia

    Or I load up the computers and go a couple of hours into VA to hang out with nerd friends. Grocery shopping is already pretty common on the bike.
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  11. btcn

    btcn Long timer

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    Sounds like a scoots a good canidate!

    Wow, thats wierd you don't like the C50 on the freeway! I guess its geared a bit short? And its got a sort of Harley copy engine so that don't work to well?

    The wind protecion offered on scooters is nice, although you can get good protection with fairings.

    It sounds like you'll want a 600 class scoot, for nice, lower RPM freeway cruising. The 400 will get a bit buzzy with that single, and won't sound quite as cool [though obviously you don't got no scoot for sound!].
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  12. CaseyJones

    CaseyJones Ridin' that train

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    I'm gonna dissent here...I think for your purposes, the B-Man 400 can't be beat.

    I had one I bought lightly used...I was, then and now, 240lbs and six-two. The 400 was a perfect pack-mule, loaded up with touring gear and me...on the first leg, crossing lower Michigan during a heat wave, I melded into traffic at 85-90 mph. Mileage suffered and I later had the carrier bearings for the final drive fail...but that was weeks later. It never overheated, even though temperature was in the mid-90s.

    At more sane speeds, mileage was in the upper 60s. Only later did I find out that beat out most motorcycles of even smaller displacements; even as performance was better.

    Why'd I sell? Bearing failed on that trip. When getting it fixed, a feedback sensor in the exhaust was broken; and the onboard FI computer put it into "Limp-In" mode, losing most power and mileage. In Washington State, wait for the new sensor was 30 days - and my off-time from work was done. I basically gave it away to the dealer and caught a plane home.

    That was a mistake - the Burgman 400 is a jewel of a ride. Find one; buy it and savor it. You'll be curious about others but DO NOT sell until you've lived with another ride for enough time to be sure.
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  13. MaineScoot

    MaineScoot Been here awhile

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    Have you looked at the other new Maxi scoots? The two BMWs and the new Honda Integra?

    The BMW C 600 Sport and C 650 GT:
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    And the Honda Integra 700:
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    I'd say that you need to get out more . . . . . as in riding further till you encounter dealers who stock various models that you can compare.

    If your purchase-to-be is still years away;- take note that there will be other choices available as time passes (unless you are planning on sticking to Second-Hand?).

    Newcomers to the market include BMW with two 647 cc models, and Honda with a (high tunnel) 670 cc model that shares many parts with their NC700S & NC700X motorcycles.

    (Just noticed that MaineScoot beat me to the punch there . . . it happens!)
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  15. Dismount

    Dismount Boring bastard

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    It seems to perform fine on the highway, just feels kind on "anxious". Backroad crawling it's quite good at, as long as you don't expect too much in the lean department. Seems to get about 45-50 mpg no matter what you do to it, or how you flog it. Fill ups are 3.3 gallons @ 150 miles almost religiously.

    Being in wishbone position with 70+ mph wind trying to split you up the middle is what kills me. After an hour you're uncomy, after 5 you're in legitimate pain, after 12 you've spent the last 4 hours trying to use a bungee cord to hold your knees into the tank.



    Nearest bmw Dealer is anywhere from 109 to140 miles away. Thats a looooong way when your scoot needs work. Pretty dang spendy too. I suspect beemrs aren't in my future. Same with triumph if I decided to go scrambler or bonnie.

    I do like the looks of the XX700 series from honda. will be haunting the local dealers to drool on those for sure.

    I would like something that feels relaxed at highway speeds.


    Bike shopping is half the fun. :lol3 Might as well make it last :d


    Thanks for all the replies. I appreciate em.
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  16. scootermann

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    As per Honda USA, only the NC700X dual sport will be in the USA for the foreseeable future. Which is odd, since the advantage of that new series is the commonality of all the bikes.

    The Beemer is sweet, but will probably come in at over $10k stripped.
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  17. Dismount

    Dismount Boring bastard

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    Yeah, I'm fairly sure I saw the 10k number mentioned. That aint gonna happen. If I had the $ and a close dealer, maybe. Too many downsides on that one for me.
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    Dismount Boring bastard

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    Looking at the prices, I'm getting the feeling that new maxi, with the exception of the 400 burger and one the xciting 500 models will be more than I want to spend.

    What's the consensus on the xcitings?
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  19. vex

    vex Adventurer

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    I'm interested to see the consensus as well. I just bought a used '09 500Ri with 2K miles on it. I've come across some medical issues as of late as well, and decided to part with one of my motos and buy a scooter so I can get back on two wheels, instead of waiting to try and throw a leg over one of my other motos. That could be a long time coming and I *can* get on a scooter at the moment.

    I like it. Not a ton of power, not a ton of storage, but comfortable, smooth, and adequate brakes and suspension for getting around. I'm a ex-roadracer and I also like to do a bit of long distance road tripping and dualsporting, but I can't use any of my current or past motos to benchmark it. So with nothing to compare it to other than an old Aero 125 I owned years ago, it's perfectly adequate for the price.

    The new TMax really caught my eye, but the 530 model isn't around yet and the price I paid for the 500Ri that I stumbled upon didn't have me waiting for a TMax or searching for a used one. I would likely have paid quite a bit more for it, too. If it turns out I won't be able to swing a leg over a "regular" moto, ever again, I'll certainly be looking hard at the TMax and the BMW as a permanent replacement.

    Right now? Not worth the money to me. It might have been worth the money if I had the opportunity to actually ride the TMax, and I'm glad I didn't. My wallet can't really take that kind of beating right now. :)
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    vortexau Outside the Pod-bay

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    From what I've read (Road Tests, etc) one does not pick an Xciting 500i for the brakes. Leave more room between you and the vehicle ahead.

    Conclusion- If you can swing the money for a Tmax, Silverwing, or a Burgy . . . go for that.
    If the Xciting 500i is all you can afford, be prepared for slower riding, or bigger gaps.
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