Soccer Thread V1: Klinsmann for Gold?

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  1. wxwax

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    He's wonderfully skilled, but with a slight body. He'd fit very well at Barca. I worry about early physical burnout. He has played an awful lot of matches at a young age.
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    ThePikeman German n00b

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    I think it odd, that he doesn't train up a bit to prepare for a more physical game.
    Mario Götze is only slightly taller and weights... bad example... he tends more to bumblebee than bee. :lol3
  3. wxwax

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    I wonder which Tottenham will show up on Wednesday? The lethargic, one-man band of the last couple of weeks? Or the soaring outfit from midseason?

    It's funny-odd that Spurs' entire season could come down to one game.
  4. Bshelton

    Bshelton Been here awhile

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    I really hope that Chelsea destroy Tottenham, and I HATE Chelsea.
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    Piece in the Guardian today on corruption in Spanish football (I'd say its a Latin thing but if you've read any tales of agent dealings in the Premier League, it seems like a difference only by degree).
  6. wxwax

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    The stuff of agents in world football is a sordid story that's never really been plainly told. They had investigations in England about "bung" payments to managers for buying players (Harry Redknapp was the most prominent name involved, I think) but then it all sort of drifts away. Agents have a surprising amount of power to force deals and even, sometimes, control the personnel of a club (Blackburn Rovers being the most recent example.) The money involved is huge, so it's understandable that there's a lot of dubious dealing.

    The only thing I would say in defense of English football is that there's never been a suspicion of match fixing. How long that will continue, I wouldn't dare to guess. FIFA looks impotent in the face of worldwide gambling and corruption, so it may only be a matter of time before some Singapore syndicate gets its mitts on an English team or match official.
  7. JNRobert

    JNRobert Breaking Wind

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    And right on time . . .

    Agent launches legal threat to UEFA fair play rules

    Apparantly, they'll restrict his earnings :rofl

    And in other news, it seems Liverpool have been playing a little nasty eminent domain

    "People's farewells are bitter, filled with anger and heartbreak at the area's dreadful decline and at the club for deepening the blight by buying up houses since the mid-1990s then leaving them empty"

    Full Story

    Perhaps as the wheels come off the European economies they can't ignore this stuff anymore :dunno
  8. wxwax

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    Yeah, I read the agent lawsuit. It sounds to me -- nabob that I am -- that he has a good chance of winning. FFP is a restraint on trade. And I'm with those who believe it would serve to cement the hierarchy in European football, for as long as it is in effect. It serves the rich and hobbles the poor. UEFA's initial response to the lawsuit was revealingly weak, it seemed to me.

    It seems to me that the Liverpool club does not have a responsibility to maintain the neighborhood as it buys homes which come on the market. In order to expand, it needs the additional land/right to shade. And the club does need a larger stadium if it's to be competitive.

    The culture of soccer in England is much to blame. Fans won't accept a club leaving its traditional neighborhood. This greatly limits the options for moving or expansion. Chelsea are in the same boat or worse, given the scarcity and price of large lots of land in south west London. Like Anfield, Stamford Bridge is hemmed in and expansion is impractical.
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    ThePikeman German n00b

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    Financial fair play does not regulate trade. In my view it is more regulation of franchise partners.
    Good management will always help clubs to emerge.


    I think EPL has a problem that these venues tend to be very old. With clubs as businesses having not much emotional value themselves, their history and traditions are heavily linked to the grounds they play in.
    I do not agree with your notion that ownership and neigbourhood does not come with obligations. Intentionally driving down prices in an area to buy cheaper might easily ride through the gray area of law.

    Just because it fits. Investments in new stadiums and facilities are exempt from FFP.
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    What are the condition of the German stadiums? They seem to have the cheapest ticket prices in Europe and deep roots in the community so is there infrastructure investment? Iirc, they still have standing only terraces which were eliminated in the EPL as part of their hooligan reforms.
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    FFP has the effect of restraining trade by limiting who can spend money on players. It's a very direct effect. The only clubs who will be able to afford top players will be those who have a very large stadium, great merchandising revenue and a fat TV deal.

    That doesn't describe many clubs, and it only describes one club in Germany.

    The rich will get richer, the poor will stay poor, and the Chelseas, Manchester Citys, Malagas etc. of his world won't be allowed to happen.

    A very boring world, IOW.
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    I don't understand what this means. These clubs and more all play in a relatively new stadium:

    Arsenal, Stoke City, West Ham (soon), Bolton Wanderers, Manchester City, Swansea City, Reading, Derby County... the list goes on...

    The problem with territoriality is in crowded marketplaces like London. Clubs are defined the the neighborhood in which they are based. Spurs-Arsenal, for example, is the North London Derby. Chelsea-Fulham or Chelsea-QPR are rivalries because of geography. West Ham-Millwall matches are like a bloody nose.

    Liverpool can't afford to build a new park, which is why expanding Anfield is on the table. But like Wrigley Field or Fenway Prk in the United States, the neighborhood hems them in.

    Chelsea have the money to move. But they're constrained by two things. One, finding a suitable site that's close to Stamford Bridge. And two, the Pitcher Owners Association, which is fighting any move. Stupid, they are, but that's the emotion involved.

    The suggestion that English football clubs are passionless businesses is -- well, we're friends here, so I'll be polite -- it's incorrect.
  13. Bshelton

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    So, biggest of news this year, and probably all summer. SAF is retiring.
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    Mourinho's dream job. But it sounds like he won't get it. A lot of Chelsea fans are in denial that Mourinho only loves them when it suits him. It's a pity United will reportedly pick Moyes soon. The longer it would have dragged out, the longer it would have given Mourinho time to lobby... and open some eyes in SW London.

    Moyes to United is a bit like Hodgson to Liverpool. Big change for the manager and a change in style expected.

    This is a huge opportunity for the rest of the top clubs in the Premier League. Ferguson was a masterful coach and motivator. He will be greatly missed.
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    Indeed the greatest football manager alive if not ever.
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    Nice to see Henry still has a few moves . . .

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    Indeed. The talking heads only really offered up Bob Paisley as competition.
  18. wxwax

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    In July of 2011 Jurgen Klinsmann was appointed czar of USA soccer.

    One year and 9 months later, he still has no idea who should be on his team.

    “So right now you’re handling 45-50 players” for the summer friendlies and the Gold Cup.

    50 players. The man simply can't settle on squad. I find this very discouraging. I'm not contending that there are 11 (or 23) players of supreme talent who select themselves. USA doesn't have anything like that kind of ability.

    But I betcha no other national team coach is still trawling through 50 players after almost two years on the job. Does he really think he's missed a few hidden gems?
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    FA Cup on Fox - Turn it on NOW
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    I literally just turned it on and Wigan should
    ve got a penalty then scored on the corner. Incredible!