Soccer Thread V1: Klinsmann for Gold?

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  1. ThePikeman

    ThePikeman German n00b

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    I think the relative failure of the German U21 also stems from filling the ranks of the main team. With these players being the first to have finished the revamped academy system in full, the quality raises and players jump over the U21. This problem will reduce with the first team having enough quality that these younger players can't usurp them before completing their time in the U21. Schürrle and Draxler for example are still eligible for the U21, as are Toni Kroos and Mario Götze (in theory at least, since both are inujured).
    Lewis Holtby is a good example of what quality his experience brings to the team.
  2. JNRobert

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    Oh, sure. I think the German model is bearing fruit and there is technique in depth. The Spanish model just doesn't seem to be running out of steam and those two nations are going to continue to be powers in International football.

    Given the current state of Brazil and Argentina right now, I'd be optimistic that a European nation could win the World Cup next year (until the refs get involved :D )
  3. wxwax

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    Japan didn't look up for it. Too easy for Brazil. I suspect it may turn out this way for the whole tourny. The European teams don't really care either. That just leaves Mexico, who have their own problems to sort out.
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    Mexico looked dismal. Can't move the ball out of the back. Can scarcely defend. Virtually no service for the strikers.

    Italy toyed with them, looked pretty good. Mario Balotelli may single-handedly eradicate racism in his country. He scores so often for Italy that even the most ultra of bigots has to embrace him. Well taken, physical goal.
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    I can't wait until Spain lose and get kicked around. Their diving and play acting is disgusting.
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    :rolleyes It would take the whole Spanish squad to collectively throw themselves on the ground to come close to matching the Italian or German teams of the 70's/80's. Actually, just matching Klinsmann's diving record alone would be an effort in futility.

    I seriously wonder if you're confusing Football with Rugby when you're watching.
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    Well, there had to be one person in the whole wide world who likes players diving, acting like they've been shot and crowding the ref. I guess you're him. :deal

    For the World and European champions to resort to those kind of tactics is disgusting. A pox on them. I wish them all the ill in the world. Completely without class. And a fine example for all the kids who admire them. :rolleyes
  8. JNRobert

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    You're exagerating as usual.

    Watched the final of the U21's Spain vs Italy. Wonderfully entertaining and Spain deservedly win it 4-2. I'll be shocked if Spain don't win another World Cup in my lifetime if this is the quality of players coming through their youth team.
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    A slog through Honduras tonight. For the first 2/3rds of the match the visitors were first to every ball and were more physical. They denied the US room to play and stayed in the game, with a few flourishes of Spain-like diving and delaying tactics.

    Two US players who really catch the eye are Zusi and especially Fabian Johnson, who is a keeper. It was his cross to Altidore that gave the big man his 4th goal in 4 consecutive games. That ties a US record and is a sign of how perky the US attack is these days.

    (I can't help but think that if Charlie Davies had stayed in his hotel room that fateful night in 2009, he and Altidore would have become one of the world's most dangerous strike forces. Davies was that good.)

    Another shutout for the US, but not without some moments that remind us that the center-halves are a work in progress. Jermaine Jones was back after his suspension, but I wish Cameron had been given a chance to show whether or not the last match was the real deal.

    This time last year pretty much everyone in CONCACAF thought Mexico had risen to a level above everyone else in the region and were becoming a world power. Fast forward to this year and Mexico trails the US by 5 points and have played one more game than 2nd place Costa Rica. They'll probably qualify, but they're looking terrible in midfield.

    Who'd a thunk Jurgen Klinsmann's United States team would be the class of the Hex? :freaky
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    Very entertaining Italy vs Japan - with a couple of suspect penalties. Has Balotelli ever missed one? :dunno Talking of which how does he get away with his stutter run up? I thought that was against the rules?

    p.s. 3-3 and what a lovely player Honda is. In fact, for pure technical skills the nips are very, very good.
  11. JNRobert

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    Holy shit, Japan just hit the post and the crossbar in the same move, what a game :lol3

    God, I hate Italy :bluduh :D Pirlo is shit, Italy is tired and yet they still beat Japan. If the Japanese had played this way against Brazil they'd still be in the competition.

    Viva Espana :D
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    Japan didn't deserve to lose. As they said after the game, Japan doesn't yet know how to manage a game one they're up 2-0. Wide open, not something you often say about an Italy match. Japan looked awfully good and may be the team you don't want to meet at the World Cup next year.

    Stutter step is legal as long as you don't come to a full stop. People who do that style flirt with a total stop, but they never actually do it. Personally, I hate it. I say disguise your body language and thump the ball into a corner.

    Brutal refereeing, neither penalty was a good call.

    For Brazil, two moments of magic from Neymar decided the game. The second was fantastic skill.

    Brazil still don't look like a team. They had trouble holding the ball against a spirited Mexico. It's hard to see them effectively beating Spain's press. And their defending still looks panicky. Barrerra tortured Marcelo, who simply couldn't keep up.

    Mexico gave a decent account of themselves, although their new 3-man back line fell apart on the first goal. Imagine leaving Neymar unmarked! The effort might have been enough to save their coach's job. But now they have 2 goals in their last 6 matches, only one of them from open play.
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    Abby Wambach scored 4 against South Korea to seize the international scoring record from Mia Hamm with 160 goals. That's more than any other woman -- or man -- has scored for their national team. Canada's great striker Christy Sinclair in hot on her heels though, with 145.
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    Forlan showing his world cup form

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    Refs are using shaving foam for free kicks in the U20 World Cup, as they do in MLS. I like it and wish other leagues adopted it. Ends all arguments and delays.
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    Never seen this before.

    Italy's second goal v. Brazil. Corner kick. Ball comes into the box. Gustavo pulled Balotelli to the ground. Ref blows his whistle to award a penalty just as Chiellini shoots from about 12 yards.

    The ball went in and the ref decided to count the goal instead of making Italy take the penalty. Not sure if Julio Cesar could have stopped the shot, but he visibly stopped trying when he heard the whistle.

    Really strange. Not sure that's legal, is it?
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    Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/soccer/news/20130623/brazil-italy-ref-mistake.ap/#ixzz2X6mhtSYs
  18. JNRobert

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    ^ Watched the game last night. Bad decision but lets face it, if Balotelli was taking the penalty it was probably a foregone conclusion :D

    Shitty either way. I've been to watch Brasil twice with a twenty year gap between each and on both occasions they've been one of the dirtiest teams I've seen. It's no accident that the roots of their game is Italian. I'm still not impressed with them and they dive, dissemble and play nasty with the best. This is not the reincarnation of '74

    All in all, a scrappy game but I'm hoping it's a Spain - Uruguay final. I think Spain will take Brazil apart but the Uruguay front line will give Spain some headaches and make it an interesting game. The Italians are punching above their weight right now.
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    If it's Spain-Brazil, it might be interesting. Brazil will struggle with Spain's press and Brazil's defense has been shaky. David Luiz has a "dead leg" and might not play.

    On the other hand, Spain's back line is equally nervous and they could be exposed if Brazil can break away.

    Spain's tendency to play narrow could actually help the Brazilians defend.

    There will be a separate competition for diving and haranguing the ref. I expect Spain to handily win that title.
  20. Bshelton

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    Couldnt have put it better myself