Soccer Thread V1: Klinsmann for Gold?

Discussion in 'Sports' started by Bshelton, Jan 2, 2013.

  1. Bshelton

    Bshelton Been here awhile

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    No matter how optimistic you are, Chelsea blew that game. They should've shattered United. Mourinho decided to not start with a striker, dumb move. Thats something you pull in a cup tie, not in a league match against Manchester United. Terry and Rooney had great games and were MOTM material for sure. Van Persie is a dirty bastard. How he elbowed KDB in the face and KDB got a yellow card was beyond me. It was boring, and Chelsea played better football with RDM, AVB, and Rafa. FACT
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    3 for 6, so far.

    Arsene Wenger finally found a player for a price he's willing to pay. :lol3 He spends nothing to land unwanted free agent Mathieu Flamini.

    Eto'o to Chelsea is interesting. At 32, it's fair to ask how much Eto'o has left. He's there to bring touch in tight spaces that Chelsea's other strikers don't have. What we can expect from Eto'o is full throttle commitment, as he had in Milan. Perhaps he'll even inspire Mata to learn how to tackle.

    To make room for him and for Willian, it's expected that Demba Ba and Victor moses will be loaned out.
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    It depends how you define "better."

    I'll certainly agree that under AVB and di Matteo the attacking was more fluid. But when you keep conceding goals, it's hard to be competitive. That's why AVB is at Spurs and RDM, unfairly in my opinion, is out of work. The Fat Spanish Waiter was somewhat better, but he's a non-issue, a mistake to be blotted from the record book.

    It has been written that both sides played conscientious defense, that defending had made a return to the top of the table... and that this bodes well for success in Europe, an arena where English teams have slipped lately.

    As for Chelsea, we'll define "better" as winning the Premier League and the Champions League.. not fighting for top-4 and playing in the Europa League.

    So we'll have to wait and see if Mourinho's Chelsea is "better" than AVB's RDM's and FSP's. But history suggests it will be.
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    There are links from Liverpool to Moses. And we are odds on to sign Yarmolenko. If hes gotten better since the Euros we would be getting a nice tidy speedy winger.
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    I would define better as beating your rival in a league game. Rafa, RDM, and AVB would never gamble with not selecting a recognized striker to prove a point to Abram. IDK, I hate Chelsea but wanted them to win and it was just massively disappointing. And by "better football" I mean more fluid attacking, more fluid change from defense to attack on the counter, and better teamwork with less relying on star players.

    Dont get me wrong hes an amazing coach, but his arrogance is on another level.
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    Yes, he is arrogant. :lol3 To some extent a coach needs to be, or he won't be the equal of his players. But Mourinho is a bit public about it. :D

    You gave two definitions of "better." I like your first one. League wins, something AVB, RDM and FSP struggled with.

    Mourinho didn't play Schurrle to make a point to Roman Abramovich. Their relationship isn't that poisonous. And he didn't need to make a statement to get Eto'o on what is basically a free transfer. Makes no sense. Not logical. Don't believe all that newspaper gossip. It's 90% garbage.

    He played Schurrle because he was looking for a player who combined speed with touch. He wanted to fast-break against ManU. He didn't need a target man to hold up the ball, which is what the three strikers are best at. He needed someone who could link a fast break, and who could chase a ball over the top.

    The reason it didn't work is because Chelsea'a passing on the attack was just awful, something Mourinho mentioned after the game. And the lobs over the top weren't much better. In the end, it was an experiment that failed. But let's not hang a man for trying something unconventional. Instead, let's praise him for fresh thinking, even if it fails.
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    I'd prefer to see Moses rejoin Martinez at Everton, dunno if they're interested though. For my money Liverpool will be too close to the top 4 to do business with. I think they're hugely improved. Kolo Toure has looked very good so far, great addition. It's a real shame that he did his groin on Tuesday. Those can take a long time to heal. It's funny how they have a better record, by some distance, without Suarez. :lol3
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    A really excellent analysis of Barcelona on Slate HERE
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    :thumb Very interesting. Love the politics, even if the writer has an agenda. First time I've seen mud thrown at Messi, though.

    There was a moment in the second leg against Atletico that summed up Neymar's dilemma. He got the ball inside the box on the left side with only the keeper to beat. Instead of shooting, he crossed the ball. But Messi wasn't there to receive it and the danger was past.

    In Brazil or for Brazil, he would have shot, with a high probability of scoring. Instead, he deferred. One assumes he'll sort himself out sooner rather than later, but it does illustrate the challenge.

    Given Barca's pressing needs elsewhere, I always thought Neymar was a luxury buy. Better to beef up the defense and make an effort to keep Thiago Alcantara.
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    Yes, as I said earlier, Neymar seems more of a business decision than a tactical footballing one. Unless, as Cruyff pointed out, your tactic is to eventually sell Messi as inconceivable as that is.

    It's also the danger of having a player as big as Messi. What do you do with a talent that huge when it lays waste to the likes of Villa and Ibra?

    P.s. nice to see that the argument between Messi and Villa is pretty much the same one we've all had playing the game. Talent doesn't change that at least :D
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    This could be the year that Arsenal don't make it out of the group stage.

    Group F: Arsenal, Olympique Marseille, Borussia Dortmund, Napoli
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    Apparently Bayern rested a number of players on Tuesday, in preparation for today's UEFA SUper Cup. It cost the dumbasses two points when they could only manage a draw against SC Freiburg. Whoever heard of resting players for a glorified exhibition match? I wonder why Pep cares so much?



    "It was Drogba, it was the angels, it was the heavens, it was the stars, it was the gods, it was everything for Chelsea. This is not anything to do with football. This is more than football, this is spirit. Never giving in, fighting to the end, that English spirit running right the way through this Champions League for Chelsea."
    - Gary Neville, 2012 UEFA Champions League Final
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    Excellent first half to a match most of the United States can't watch because Fox, in their constant stupidity, put it on a channel nobody gets.

    Both sides are pressing the ball all over the pitch. That's opening up space and so we're getting a lot of end-to-end football. Chelsea look sharp on the break. Andre Schurrle, whose importance is surprising me, is playing right wing and it's his cross to Torres, who took a wonderful first-time volley to score the only goal, which gave Chelsea the lead.

    Bayern began to dominate possession in the last 15-20 minutes of the half. They seem to prefer working on their left, finding Ribery at the top of the box with an overlapping player. Most of their shots have come from Ribery. Robben has been mostly invisible.

    Chelsea are playing outstanding team defense, extremely well organized. This is why Mata is struggling to find playing time. He's not willing to fall back and tackle or disrupt the way Oscar, Schurrle, Hazard and Torres are.

    A most entertaining first half. Bayern look increasingly threatening. There are goals left in this game, that seems certain.
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    Ya think! :lol3 gota love Hazard.

    P.s. a man down and Mourinho's beating Pep. If Pep loses, his next month in Munich is going to be hell.
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    That's Lukaku in the transfer window :D
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    Well, that was a fantastic match! From a Chelsea perspective, what a tenacious, gutty performance. To play with 10 men for 30 minutes before conceding to this mighty Bayern team is a tremendous achievement. Mourinho really has these guys fighting for each other.

    Lukaku was the only penalty taker to use the style I hate, dancing up and trying to read the keeper. He ended up hitting a weak one that was easy to stop. Belt it, man!

    It's just a "friendly", but the quality of the teams and the coaches made it a bigger game than the trophy would suggest.

    Even though Chelsea lost, I think this is the kind of experience that forges a team. This young bunch played the best team in the world to a standoff, even when down a man. That will stand them in good stead through the season. They now have an identity and a togetherness, forged in the white heat of competition.
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    It was an entertaining match. I am not sure, if the quality of Bayern today is really a good indicator of Chelseas offensive qualities. Guardiola changed a lot in the team and not all of it works yet. I think, that some of these things will never work. Guardiola seems to be a terrible midget lover. Why else would you put Lahm in the defensive midfield position, if you have Javi Martinez on the bench for it?
    I guess I'll have to wait until the game Bayern-Leverkusen to get a good assessment. Leverkusen kept shape and most of the players or replaced them with a player of the same type. They also kept on their habbit of winning over the summer break.

    I hope you do not believe, that Chelsea is an underdog. The squad is worth about the same and the players aren't younger.
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    ThePikeman German n00b

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    I noticed that and I don't think it is good business. The usual habit with German clubs is, to have the business finished as early as possible to let the "new" team have a complete preseason.
    Schalke did add Kevin-Prince Boateng form Milan and Dennis Aogo from HSV this week, but they needed to qualify for the UCL first. Boateng might be the cog that makes Schalke tick right. They bought players for the future, that will be very, very good, but aren't perfect for the present. Max Meyer, Julian Draxler and Leon Goretzka just ooze talent. It's something nice to see.

    I am a bit surprised about the Manchester United fans. They think they have a great draw, but Shaktar and Leverkusen are nasty competition for the first two places.
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    Absolutely Chelsea were the underdog. Some of Chelsea's most important players are children. I know that Bayern fielded some young players but their core, their stars, are deep into their careers. Bayern is the Champion of Europe and the consensus best team in the world.

    I agree that today's Bayern aren't the finished product. That would be impossible in so short a time with Pep.

    I assume the players will embrace Pep's methods, although it's always possible they'll pull a Real Madrid under Mourinho, or a Chelsea under AVB. I think that's why Pep really wanted to win today: to make sure the players embraced his approach to the game. A loss might have damaged the relationship. (Ribery's embrace of Pep after his goal was really, really weird.)
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    Well, Shakhtar Donetsk have lost some key players. They began that process last season, which was suicide. I love their coach, but they're not the same team.

    I don't know enough about Leverkusen. But if United brush aside Real Sociedad, it doesn't really matter.

    I hate Boateng for deliberately injuring Ballack and essentially ending his career. Also, I don't respect his game. So, I have nothing but ill will for the man.

    English clubs would prefer for the transfer window to close before the season starts and Platini has said he'll bring it up with FIFA. I don't know why they leave the deals so late, unless they think it helps them get a better price.

    I agree it would be ideal to have all your players together in pre-season. But that's impossible. For example, players like Luiz, Mata, Mikel, Moses, Torres, Oscar weren't able to join Chelsea until the pre-season was almost over, because of the Confederations Cup. I think these days, teams are accustomed to learning on the fly.